So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

rtron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687955#Comment_120687955

Actually seen this today on Either rte or the indo. Can't remember which one.

Edit : It was the indo I realize now you were talking about conservative media.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/non-human-spacecraft-and-the-bodies-of-pilots-recovered-by-us-for-decades-claims-whistleblower/a417415686.html

celtic_oz

Taken from Michael Shellenbergers tweats : https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1666583430111559682

Grusch, 36, is a senior intelligence analyst who represented the Air Force’s National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, the precursor to AARO, from 2019-2021. Grusch is also a decorated combat officer for his service in Afghanistan.

“His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct,” said Karl Nell, a retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force, which preceded the creation of AARO, told The Debrief,” as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence.”

Some of the same sources who shared information with Grusch, as well as others, spoke to Public about retrieved spacecraft that they say is in the possession of the U.S. government. “I know of at least 12-15 craft,” said one person, who said they shared the information with AARO and Congress. “Every five years, we get one or two recovered for one reason or another, from either a landing or that we catch, or they just crash.” A different contractor said, “There were at least four morphologies, different structures. Six were in good shape; six were not in good shape. There were cases where the craft landed, and the occupants left the craft unoccupied. There have been high-level people, including generals, who have placed their hand on the craft, and I would have no reason to disbelieve them.”

The sources said they felt compelled to speak out publicly to validate Grusch’s claims but did not want their names used. “We have non-disclosure agreements or secrecy agreements that we are supposed to take to the grave,” said one person. Two of the three sources declined to answer certain questions, even off the record, out of concern for their safety and continued access to information.“I briefed the Senate intelligence committee, the Senate Armed Services Committee, and ARRO, and so that information is out there,” the person said. “What Grusch did was the first giant step to get the information out.”

celtic_oz

Full interview Sunday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PwZsQidbqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJKwglRgwDM

rtron

Listened to some of the interview today, no proof as usual. The interviewer is more about suggesting the government is lying to people rather than the subject matter. Grusch (full of ifs and buts) is whistle blowing on some matters and not speaking about classified info on others.

silliussoddius

More Skinwalker campfire stories from the same incestuous circle.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690081#Comment_120690081

It appears that some new information is about to emerge that will challenge long-held beliefs and perspectives about the world. This information has been kept hidden from the public for decades, but it is now coming to light and will likely cause a significant shift in the way people view the world. It is a pivotal moment in history, and we must be ready to accept the truth that is about to be revealed. Some of it may not be good, and a lot of history will probably be rewritten as we know it today. Had to come out sooner or later. While debunkers will have their work cut out for them for a bit, at the very least, this may wake them up to the fact that conspiracies are not all trash and they should not be so skeptical. We are going to learn that many countries have kept this phenomenon secret from most people.

silliussoddius

Definitely this time, not the usual nonsense from the Skinwalker Scooby gang.

Markus Antonius

Scary how much Von Braun's whistle blowing, his prophecy is coming to fruition. The NASA satanic cult is mobilising the next era of deception...

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742480#Comment_120742480

Nasa isn't a satanic cult though. Very strange thing to say.

Also I would have thought that since you believe that all space is fake and that the Earth is flat, that all UFO claims are also false.

Cheerful believes that they do exist and are all aliens.

MayoForSam

This is interesting, Chuck Schumer has gotten involved and proposed some new legislation (he even mentions NHI's (Non Human Intelligences)). It could compell witnesses to come before congress for full disclosure. Hearings could happen quite soon, possibly before end of this month.

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4101345-non-human-intelligence-schumer-proposes-stunning-new-ufo-legislation/

silliussoddius

I don’t know. I’m still reeling from the earth shattering revelations of the same “somebody’s friends says” stories from the Skinwalker Scooby gang.

Larbre34

What Grusch is doing is not whistleblowing, its just adding more bullshyt to the pile.

As for Congressional hearings, really, does America not have much more important social issues to address than fictional ETs.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120867806#Comment_120867806

Currently, events are unfolding in a very rapid manner, and on July 26, Congress/house will hold a special hearing to hear testimony from whistleblowers. This hearing will be the first of its kind around and could potentially uncover hidden secrets about the secret government's involvement with non-human technology. David Grusch's testimony is expected to shed light on these possible revelations, and the results of the hearing could set the course for future events in this area. As we do not yet have a full list of speakers, the event could be explosive if people from the UFO programs attend.

Why are they in such a hurry to tell everyone? Something must have changed, and it might not all be an agenda run by humans. If they could keep the secret forever, they would.

If the secret faction of the government is confirmed to have access to technology that is not available to the public, it could lead to a feeling of unease or fear in the population. People may start to question what else the government is hiding and how it affects their daily lives.

World can't be kept in the dark forever. Why are they telling us at an accelerated pace? At least that's what I'm thinking.

Details

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4101345-non-human-intelligence-schumer-proposes-stunning-new-ufo-legislation/

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), along with a bipartisan group of five other senators, introduced extraordinary legislation on July 13, suggesting that the U.S. government or private contractors may secretly possess recovered UFOs and “biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence.”

According to the legislation, “non-human intelligence” is defined as “any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform, regardless of nature or ultimate origin which may be presumed responsible for” UFOs.

Given the decades-long stigma associated with the UFO topic, such stunning language is not included in bipartisan congressional legislation on a mere whim, let alone proposed by the Senate’s top lawmaker.

The ongoing investigation “uncovered a vast web of individuals and groups” claiming knowledge of secret UAP-related programs and information.

silliussoddius

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celtic_oz

Press conference on upcoming Oversight Committee hearing on UAPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hCpZcVD50

from the transcript :

19:33 to follow up on that are you suggesting there are better quality images and better quality videos

19:40 I've seen better quality videos dude absolutely 100% and they need to release them

Nice to see an honest anouncement on the topic and questions without any cowardly skinwalker references from the audience.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876744#Comment_120876744

There appears to be a war being waged behind the scenes to conceal this information. Congress members claim there is a lot of stonewalling going on here and whistleblowers are being harassed behind the scenes. Exposing a shadow government like this was never going to be easy. Congress members must be ready to battle openly with these forces. 

silliussoddius

Definitely this time, if not then there are always more carrots dangling.

Looks like they've done their home work.

https://twitter.com/realannapaulina/status/1681372845660569615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1681372845660569615%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877559#Comment_120877559

 The US government is attempting to use psychological UFO warfare to manipulate the American people. It is likely that the pilots are being used to carry out these malicious plans. I think that's what you're suggesting here. This would be a big news story by itself.

I'm just concerned about the real motives behind this are. I hope whatever they are doing is actually for the benefit of the people and not some other hidden agenda. I'm just keeping an eye on the situation and will be prepared for any outcome

Grunch statements have been corroborated by other whistleblowers , and there is some evidence to suggest that the government is hiding something. Many high-ranking officials have made statements that seem to suggest that there is something to these claims. Additionally, there have been reports of classified documents related to the UFO phenomenon given over. I'm fine with being skeptical until we know what's really going on here.  

silliussoddius

The biggest story in history isn't going to be broken by grifters (one of which thinks a triangle is a pyramid and a bent line is a triangle) or the Ancient Aliens senator.

This is nothing but a bull sh1t story negative feed back loop.

What are the various preparations you've made for possible outcomes?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877788#Comment_120877788

In light of the fact that the media vetted David Grusch and a lot of people are saying he is the real deal, including politicians, then there is more going on than normal.

Senator Rubio has already stated there is something serious going on here. This is something serious that needs to be looked into. 

Whatever the case may be, if it's false, nothing changes for debunkers since nothing changes in their opinion.

True everything. I think debunkers will have a hard time accepting reality for awhile, but they'll get over it.

silliussoddius

What was there to vet for Grusch? He has no first hand knowledge, just stories from people who heard stories.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877997#Comment_120877997

A bit more than that, he was denied access to a secret crash UFO program, which he thought constituted a problem because of his level of clearance. He was on the NRO UAP task force and he discovered programs that were unknown to the general public. He was representing one of the big five agencies of the government.

His investigation of this secret program and its people led him to file a complaint with the Department of Defense Inspector General alleging that this program was illegal and concealed alien technology. Because he has national security clearances, it will be difficult for him to reveal everything in public, but he claims to have a lot of information that he will be able to share with the right people.

It's an impressive claim, we'll see how it goes from here. It is evident that he has the credentials, but what happens after that will be interesting. Those who hold alien technology will fight hard to protect it, both to protect the secret and in any other way to keep it hidden #

There's a murky world here that most people don't know about, and laws probably got broken too. We'll see what happens on Wednesday. the aftermath of it.  

Giblet

Waiting for a detailed analysis of why, when this turns out to be complete horseshit, our resident believers were so convinced... or wait no, they'll just move onto the next one, forgetting the massive pile of "real evidence this time I swear" left in their wake.

Hamsterchops

My thoughts ....

Ideally Mick West comes on board then its really game on, in the meantime we need proof, real proof and nothing but the proof to move this thing along from being a constant background noise to a new reality, otherwise it continues as a fringe Sci-fi topic for "believers". Looking forward to the Congress hearings this Wednesday although it's the same three witnesses we've heard from before, so nothing new?

We'll see.

Dohnjoe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims

"In June 2023, United States Air Force (USAF) officer and former intelligence official David Grusch publicly claimed that unnamed officials told him that the U.S. federal government maintains a highly secretive UFO recovery program and is in possession of "non-human" spacecraft and "dead pilots." In 2022, Grusch filed a whistleblower complaint with the U.S. Office of the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) to support his plan to share classified information with the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. He also filed a complaint alleging retaliation by his superiors over a similar complaint he made in 2021.

He claims to have viewed documents reporting that Benito Mussolini's government recovered a "non-human" spacecraft in 1933, which the Vatican and the Five Eyes assisted the U.S. in procuring in 1944 or 1945. Grusch asserts individuals with whom he conversed shared the concern that American citizens have been killed as part of the government’s efforts to cover up the information. In response to his June 2023 claims, both the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) issued statements saying respectively that no evidence has been found for extraterrestrial life and that there is no verifiable information about the possession and reverse engineering of any extraterrestrial materials. Under the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, members of the U.S. House of Representatives stated that a congressional hearing on UFOs has been scheduled for July 26, 2023."

All the red flags and alarms blaring already, but okay, let's read comments about it from other experts..

"Joshua Semeter of NASA's UAP independent study team and professor of electrical and computer engineering with Boston University's College of Engineering concludes that "without data or material evidence, we are at an impasse on evaluating these claims" and that, "in the long history of claims of extraterrestrial visitors, it is this level of specificity that always seems to be missing".[22][23] Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester, published a critique of the Grusch claims on June 22 with Big Think. Frank writes that he does "not find these claims exciting at all" because they are all "just hearsay" where "a guy says he knows a guy who knows another guy who heard from a guy that the government has alien spaceships".[24]

The Guardian printed an opinion piece by Stuart Clark about Grusch's claims which included questions from three scientists. Harvard University astronomer Avi Loeb, who co-founded the UFO-investigating Galileo Project, noted that nothing extraterrestrial has been observed. Radio astronomer Michael Garrett noted that crashed landings of alien craft "would imply that there must be hundreds of them coming every day, and astronomers simply don't see them". Sara Russell, a planetary scientist from the Natural History Museum in London, said that, "if you give me an alloy, it would take me less than half an hour to tell you what elements are in it", and that "it should be easy to understand whether something falling to Earth is man-made or extraterrestrial, and if it is the latter, whether it is naturally occurring or not".[25]"

Summary: The same thing that happens every time, out of the millions of people who have an overwhelming psychological belief aliens exist, a pilot or army professional or retired whomever comes forward swearing aliens exist with no evidence but hearsay.

silliussoddius

Unnamed officials sounds vague, I would bet that one of these is Luis Elizondo.

The hearing will be nothing but show boating to generate publicity.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120890738#Comment_120890738

Always the same formula

1. Someone claims they've seen a UFO or has info
2. Turns out that person has no evidence

or

1. Some professional claims they've seen a UFO or has
2. Turns out that professional has no evidence

or

1. Grainy photo or video no one can identify

Either way, every time, a bunch of UFO believers hang on their every word. Same cycle for decades now. The only difference now is that we have HD photo/video cameras in our back pockets. The rise of smartphones met with an equal decline in UFO encounters and/or Poltergeist sightings

Hamsterchops

But what about David Fravor & Alex Deitrich? What about their 60 minutes testimony. What about the corresponding radar data for the Nimitz encounter.

So that's just one example, but a very compelling example none the less (out of hundreds), I do understand that we need solid proof, but surely their stories point towards something extra ordinary and not normal?

A 40 foot Tic Tac @Mach 10 I think it was, or something like that, & with no visible or detectable propulsion trail . . . .

If you take just this one incident as an example then what is it, who's is it, and what technology does it display?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120878047#Comment_120878047

Werner Von Braun has already blown the whistle on the us government plans for a fake alien threat. He already (according to a close compatriot of his) predicted the creation of a "US space force", which has already been established (2017)

He predicted a fake "asteroid" or "alien attack" which I'm sure is already in the planning phases.

In my opinion they are framing up the next fear-mongery bullsh1t to replace climate change as soon as people realise how farcical it is

satguy

No ship has visited us from another world.

They don't fly through space just to crash land in some red neck town in the middle of nowhere.

And about 7 billion of us have a smart phone that is never out of our hands, and not one pic was ever taken.