Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness *spoilers from post 118*

Anson Mount is a Star Trek looks like Anson Mount. There is nothing to cover up.

I’d imagine the reason for the helmet is to give him the proper costume. I didn’t recognise him at all - even in the close ups I was thinking “it is a pity they didn’t get Anson Mount - I wonder how he feels seeing Cox, Stewart and the Sony Spider-Man gang get into these movies but not him” :p

The Incredible Hulk is a great movie. I know a lot of people say they don’t like it but I’ve yet to hear why?

No retcons would be needed for a Fantastic Four origin movie. Just becasue the group got their powers years ago on that world doesn’t mess it has to be the same on 616

Mutants are a problem. I don’t see anyway in which mutants X-Men exist in 616 - they need the involvement in history plus regular people fear/hate mutants but adore other superpowers beings? It makes no sense in the comics either.

It's looks to be cleaning up at the box office, another Marvel hit

The whole "Dawn of X" era only started after the Fox/Disney merger so I wouldn't be surprised if the MCU just used Krakoa in a similar way to how they used Wakanda in order to get mutants up and running easily.

Why do you thing a fantastic Four origin isn’t necessary?

I think a story showing how they adjust to their powers would be fun.

Same reason we didn't need one for Spider-Man, they're some of the biggest Marvel characters and most people know their origin (it's been done in two movies now). Marvel has also avoided origin stories for the likes of Black Panther and Captain Marvel (and Moon Knight) where we first see them already having their powers and then get some backstory info rather than having an origin story.

The first Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi, Eternals... origin stories are worthwhile because they're introductions to new aspects of the MCU (magic, mystics, Eternals) and somewhat lesser-known characters. But we don't need that with F4.

Don't get me wrong, if they have the right story to make it worthwhile, absolutely go for it. But for a property like F4, an origin story at this stage probably isn't necessary imo.

Thats where the idea of using Krakoa like Wakanda as a mutant homeland and a rough version of "Dawn of X" as a origin comes in.

Like I said, Black Panther, Cap.Marvel and Moon Knight didn't have true origin stories and are far less well known with much weirder origins. Even with Ant-Man we got Scott's origin story but Hank was already Ant-Man before that and we didn't get or need an origin story for him.

I think it's a case of having trust in the audience. That unless there's a reason why an origin story is needed, they can just jump into a story where the heroes already have their powers, provide whatever context/backstory is needed through exposition or flashbacks, and trust that the audience can follow it.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Like I said if there's a decent story reason for it (tying into the villain or setting up something big), then by all means. But I don't think we need an origin story for them.

Saw it earlier and enjoyed it. Starts out alright but ends good if that makes sense.

It is basically The Evil Dead crossed with Marvel.

I thought you meant just start off with a Fantastic Four story with no explanation of the origin at all - doing it like Captain Marvel and Moon Knight where the origin is dealt with is what I was trying to suggest but I didn’t explain myself properly.

Another option is to have the incident in space be part of another movie - for example in Ms. Marvel in there is great publicity around Richards and the team are in space in newspapers and on TV in the background - perhaps broadcasting to Earth schools about their experiments when the accident occurs. Or maybe Captain Marvel saves them during The Marvels and we see them taken to hospital.

and Latvaria should start being mentioned in movies and shows too before Doctor Doom appears.

I was looking forward to this as there were a lot of aspects that had my interest, from Wanda to Raimi....but I left just thinking it was good to ok. Maybe my hopes were too high after NWH.

Is it just me or did the 838 universe come across as the worst version of themselves? To see such iconic characters, as a unit, get dismissed so easily was just a strange decision. And as I said, I say that as a fan of Wanda and I have been waiting to see her powers get their due. Just seemed to across as a **** it, we're not using these actors again so who cares.

I have only seen it once but that was definitely not what strange said. He mentioned something about space and there ship being lost.

There weren't superheroes when there ship went into space they got there powers up there.

Superheroes existed in the MCU before Iron Man. Of course this was all added post Iron man but it's been established since.

Captain America was a superhero and everyone knew about him. The hulk film came out before Iron Man as well.

Did the public know about Cap?

He did war bond campaigns and such but didn’t people just think he was an entertainer? I thought the missions against Hydra were secret.

Hulk wasn’t a hero until until the battle of Manhattan. Before that Weren’t S.H.I.E.L.D. covering up his existence? The only times he had been seen out in public were the two fights in the movie and the information was suppressed to make those who talked about seem crazy. I thought Black Widow said that to Banner along with how S.H.I.E.L.D. kept putting Ross off his back.

I’m open to correction on these but in this film Strange doesn’t know the Fantastic Four as a group of astronauts lost in space. He mocks the name.

On Earth 838 the Fantastic Four have been around for years. On Earth 616 they are still human and Strange has never heard of Reed Richards.

People like agent coulson worshipped Cap, he died a hero, I think people knew he was a super hero otherwise why would he be such a big deal?

I guess the hulk stuff might have been suppressed. It's one of those things when you retroactively add things to the world not everything going to stay straight.

I might have mixed up the wandavision stuff and strange stuff.

I dont think we have met 616 reed yet so the lost in time/space could pan out. I rather they have there powers for a while and get on with it, instead of another origin story.