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Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness *spoilers from post 118*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The ill-advised Boner joke from Wanda-Vision I'd assume.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,500 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw online that there's a few frames in the trailer, where Strange and America Chavez are falling through the Savage Lands, the few frames at the end of that shot show them entering another reality. An animated reality, most likely the X-Men '97 reality (as it's coming to Disney+). I'm sure it'll just be a quick fly-through, but still, they're going full balls to the wall with this one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Gonna spoiler tag this if you haven't seen WandaVision...


    They teased Quicksilver from the First Class X-Men movies in an episode cliffhanger, and then put in a twist that he was just a random guy Wanda "cast" as her brother with nothing to do with the X-Men movies.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    ahh ok, I saw wandavision... i just thought it was very cool what they did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    What? That they hired the actor who played the mutant Quicksilver in the X-Men series, to play Quicksilver in a show focusing on his sister in the MCU where she is warping reality and then... did absolutely nothing with it and played it off as a gotcha joke. Nah, that was a bad joke, and IIRC it didn't go down great. So (on topic), I gotta believe they won't do that again with Xavier in DSitMoM. My guess is that this is their way of soft launching the X-Men in the MCU. Mutants exist in other universes which will beg the question "are they in our (MCU) universe". They'll either start to appear due to some cosmic dodadery or there will be some sort of crossover between universes thanks to Strange and Wanda. It's a tricky thing to navigate TBH, because just dumping them in the MCU removes the history of mutant persecution and older mutants going back centuries. e.g. setting Magneto up as a victim of the Nazi camps was perfection, what will they do with a shiny new Magneto who just appears or gets his powers all of a sudden?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    People are allowed have different reactions, I really enjoyed that bit of trolling and the ott reaction to it from some made it better. The FoX movies are mess in terms of continuity and I really don't want that anywhere near the MCU, Evan Peters was a nice nod towards those movies without actually doing anything. I don't think they'll do the same thing again but I hope Patrick Stewart will be play Charles without them specifying that it's that Charles. A Venom-esque tie I'm where they bring him into the MCU for a cameo and eject him promptly would be fine. I'd like Marvel to do their own thing with the mutants rather than try fix the FoX mess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,500 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I really loved the Quicksilver thing in WandaVision. I didn't see it as trolling or a joke, I think it played in really well with the TV format of the show, played to Wanda's delusions and fragmented state of mind, and was mostly just a bit of fun/easter egg rather than a joke at the expense of the audience. Though naming him Ralph Bohner was probably a step too far. Like FunLover18 says, I also wouldn't want the Fox X-Men to be directly incorporated into the MCU. Using Evan Peters wouldn't even make sense due to the different age his Quicksilver would be in the MCU timeline as he was late teens in the mid-70's in Days of Future Past.

    Having the X-Men/Charles show up in a Multiverse sense is the best course, while still leaving the door open to bring a new version of the X-Men directly into the MCU, without also bringing in the frankly ridiculous baggage the original Fox X-Men comes with. It's also a great chance to recast those characters, because as perfect as Jackman/Stewart/McKellen and most of the others were, they're aging out of those roles and it could be better to just establish new versions with a fresh start.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,219 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The reaction was OTT - you could write that on the tombstone of the internet - but honestly, I was a bit miffed myself without pitching into full-blown rage. I don't appreciate fiction writers trolling me; bad enough when the great unwashed decide to stir the pot (going double when speaking as a Boards moderator!), without a production doing the same. They had to have known Evan Peters' casting would cause a stir and to pull right back from the - let's be honest - fairly understandable and logical conclusion you could draw? Oof. Sometimes, sommmmmmetimes, the victim & target of anger kinda asked for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    I actually agree with you that trolling was the wrong word, that implies that Marvel did it deliberately in the hope of annoying people and I don't think that was the case. I do think it was more of nudge and a wink.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    The biggest piece of "trolling" that show did was actually Paul Bettany teasing us about the actor he'd always wanted to work with and it turning out to be himself 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Of course you're allowed a different reaction, I never suggested otherwise. This is just chat. I didn't like it. You did. No drama :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    I also agree I'd prefer that the mess that is the Fox X-Men universe never tie in directly to the MCU, except in some sort of multiverse way like Spiderman did. I'd like to see the X-Men inclusion to the MCU universe be a clean slate. No idea how they'll do that though in a way that will feel organic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,500 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I did see one idea online that could be interesting; that the main MCU being the "sacred timeline" as engineered by Kang is the only universe without mutants, and that Scarlet Witch ends up creating mutants through a reverse 'House Of M' type of event.

    It does make it difficult in some respects given what age some mutants are meant to be, as it would mean things like healing factors wouldn't have extended their lives (which would include Apocalypse as the 'first mutant'). But could be a decent compromise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Reverse House of M feels like a likely route to go down, especially given her power ramp up in WandaVision. As you point out though, it doesn't address the history of the X-Men if they just appear. The backstories of Magneto and Prof X, Wolverine and the Weapon X program, Phoenix, Apocalypse would all need major retconning or re-imagining.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Wandavision troll move was just a cheap way to get attention back to the show after its slow start. Its hardly and accident they cast Peters as Quicksilver, they knew what they were doing.



    With how absolute ball to the wall Multiverse of Madness I've seen some wondering if they are going to try and pull a "Secret Wars" type smashing of the multiverses into one main 616. I think thats too extreme however.


    I do however wonder if they are maybe considering taking some of the elements from Hickmans run on the X-Men and using that as a means of bringing them into the MCU. To use Krakoa as a sort of Wakanda to explain why mutants were hidden/not involved in previous events, that still wouldn't properly address the lack of recent human interactions the aforementioned Magneto/Charles/Logan would need for their backstories. Unless Feige just decided to run with those existing backstories as they are but then have Charles recruit Erik/Logan to Krakoa immediately after their set origins to bide their time. It's flimsy but kinda possible.


    Others online have pointed out that Hickmans run and the current X-Men renaissance only began AFTER Marvel got back the rights to the X-Men so some are thinking there may be a connection.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    He's talking about Ralf Boenher from Wandavision.


    I disagree that was a fake out: We know Wanda changed the identities of everyone in Westview but they went to great lengths for Agatha to state that she took over whoever Ralf originally was' mind, but didn't give him his powers or physically change him in any way. So he's an anomoly, we don't know who Ralf was, but considering we're about to see a film where Wanda returns to Westview in someway and features at least one more of the cast of the X-Men movies, and has the word "multiverse" in the title, I think we could get a clear answer here.


    EDIT: Just to be clear, in general Marvel are very, very clearly seeding the X-Men. In Falcon and the Winter Soldier we have a shot of the Princess Bar in Madripoor. In the comics, the Princess bar has an extremely famous regular, named Patch, also known as Wolverine.




  • Registered Users Posts: 60,520 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Doctor Who is Doctor Strange now'1?!??!!?!😲😲😲😲😲



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,020 ✭✭✭✭flazio




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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Hold on! Was that part of the gag?!

    Well done Patrick Stewart! 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The usual countries are already banning this due to America Chavez being involved.


    Must be a big enough role if they cant just cut her out of the film for the "international" versions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,500 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Think I read that she wears an LGBT flag pin on her jacket, which would therefore be shown in every scene she's in. So where they usually clip out a little bit of dialogue or a kiss between LGBT characters, here they'd have to try blank out the pin in every shot, so just banned the film instead.

    Pathetic, but I'm at least glad Disney/Marvel are no longer kowtowing to them or editing that stuff out for them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,219 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well Disney are in the wars at the moment with Florida against the state's homophobic law - IIRC they initially tried to placate both sides but seems of late they're pivoting to a more definitive angle. Besides, reads like you can't do America Chavez without her orientation being front and centre.

    The box office for this will be interesting if certain markets are closed for business. Maybe Disney+ is offsetting the need for global cinematic Megabucks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres been no word on China banning it yet apparently so that'll be interesting to see!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,855 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So I have not being keeping up on this but is it based off of what happened in the "What If" series or is it just a continuation of the events of the MCU universe?

    I might actually go see this as hopefully it will be fun. There has been nothing good in the cinemas of late but this just might be what cinema's were invented for a film that gets you immersed and forget about your own life for a couple of hours.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,219 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The latest in the many trailers has spoiled more on surprise appearances. Namely

    Professor X's chair lol, and more excitingly, Captain Carter.




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