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Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness *spoilers from post 118*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,781 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Amazing to meet Patrick Stewart's accountant on Boards!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    If there are longer term plans to introduce the X-Men into the 616 universe known as the MCU then surely it'd have made more sense to use the McEvoy Xavier. Trekies who have been watching Patrick Stewarts revival of his other iconic character, Jean Luc Picard, will see that Stewart just isn't capable of demanding film schedules anymore. Also, what if Ian McKellen decides not to return as Magneto?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,196 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I think it committed the worst sin a Marvel film could: it was boring. While marginally better than the mess that was the Eternals, I'd be more interested in re-watching Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World before I'd bother throwing this on again.

    Not getting the love for Olsen's performance either tbh. Wanda didn't have nearly enough justification for her actions: her grief at losing Vision and the whole "mother's love" for children that never existed schtick just didn't work imo.

    It's rather worrying for the MCU tbh, so far phase 4 has only had one really good film (No Way Home), Shang Chi was going well until the final act whilst Black Widow, The Eternals, and now Multiverse of Madness have all been thoroughly forgettable fare.



  • Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    I disagree that it was boring, I thought it was quite entertaining as a standalone hero movie. I do agree that it didn't work quite well as an MCU continuation though, Wandas arc felt out of character, especially after where we left her in Wandavision. Strange feels like a different character in every film, depending on who is directing and writing. I also agree that Phase 4 is a mess, we really need to know what the point of the Multiverse is now, the Theme Park like Easter eggs (oh look it's that guy from this) with no real justification or consequences are getting old now. Every time the Multiverse is in a MCU project, it just raises even more questions and never answers any.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,196 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I found myself thinking about going for a smoke half way through, Mrs Sleepy literally fell asleep and the biggest reactions in the theatre we were in was for the cameos in the Illuminati scene. The kids were amused enough by it but unlike better Marvel films, there wasn't the usual "what was your favourite bit" / "I wonder if that means we'll see XXXX in the next film?" conversation out of them on the way home.

    I have higher hopes for Love & Thunder but I do wonder if the MCU is going to ever reach the level of Phase 3 again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Patrick Stewart’s accountant deals with his clients morals and integrity as well as their money?

    There is an uplifting TV series to made out of this. Touched By A Bookkeeper - “he’ll balance your books, then your soul”



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Did something happen to Patrick Stewart while filming Picard?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    After his final movie as Picard, "Star Trek -Nemesis" came out, time just kept ticking and he got a lot older and frailer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    The fact that I spent the energy to type all that...to say i would recommend it and I bolded in my initial post:

    it has been so long that I felt the characters are 'real' in a superhero film - all the praise of the film apparently went over your head....because of your blind love of Elizabeth Olsen? Apparently there is no criticism allowed I see, and I thought I am actually being nice.

    It is rather bizarre really I liked the film and the film 'inspired' me to write a (subjective) opinion on boards, with my reasons/rationale etc - I am simply sharing my opinion as a movie lover. A commendable project from Raimi and team - and therefore I commended it.


    Mary Sue stuff - I said in the other post that both of them showed up uber strong without proper character development from Wandavision and 'What if', simple as that. This is another whole different topic that I won't go into it now - for example, Steve Rogers doesn't just become Cap because he had super serum injected.

    Together with the woke stuff (i.e. the "messages"/social-political stuffs that have been shoved into films/tv recent years) - they are bad entertainment that's all, because shoving in woke crap (or mary sue characters) is easy but creating good script and putting well thought design/vision to the project is hard and costly and it takes longer time. So ya if you are not aware of this 'social norm' / no impact, great - because is not like I am the only one seeing that and being vocal about it. And ya I would rather not outline any example from Disney so I don't stir up more off topic discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,531 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    The 616 thing is a just a Easter egg name, the main comic universe is 616.

    The MCU has some other longer official name that's something like 19999......9



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Everyone gets older and frailer but your response has t anything to do with my question or your earlier post that I was asking about.

    Trekies who have been watching Patrick Stewarts revival of his other iconic character, Jean Luc Picard, will see that Stewart just isn't capable of demanding film schedules anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    @seraphimvc

    What “blind love for Elizabeth Olson” am I displaying? You said she was only “okay” in the film - you must be blind yourself.

    The “Mary Sue” comments in your post make zero sense. Carter and Rambeaux have had their powers for decades - how is this movie supposed to show us gaining and developing these powers? That is nonsense. What chaee destxer development do you want from any of the Illumanati? They are not there to be developed or grow or change - they are there to help tell the story. Why are you not complaining make character? Wanda powers have been shown to grow over the course of her movie appearances and the TV show plus she uses the Darkhold after the TV show - what more do you need to see?

    you’ve typed a long paragraph about “wokeness” but somehow managed to avoided giving examples - which is what you were asked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol



    Yes, you are incredibly fragile if you are looking at a group in a given scene in a movie and counting the gender of the characters and then taking offense to which dies slightly quicker. You're the male version of the vocal feminists who took offense as to how a female character died in Jurassic World because it was 'too violent' compared to the way male characters died - something I similarly called nonsense in that thread.

    Captain Marvel is the MCU's Superman. I am not a fan of either character due to their power level and how it messes up everything else - gender has nothing to do with it so I don't understand why certain folks have to shoehorn it in as being part of it. If you only hate overpowered female characters you need to take a look at what is really driving your issues.

    It can be assumed that Carter in the 838 universe has very similar experiences as Steve Rogers did in 616. Did you complain when Rogers with similar serum and experience went toe to toe with Thanos one on one for a short time when he had multiple infinity stones, when Thanos had just taken out other much more powerful characters far far quicker? Even ignoring that, it is perfectly logical that Wanda took out the characters quickly that she saw as the biggest threats which gave Carter the jump on her - it isn't always/ever a conspiracy against men.

    I don't know how anyone can look at MCU and say it is 'woke' unless you are simply offended now by the representation of characters who aren't white straight men (despite white straight men historically being nearly the only type of superhero in MCU and now still making up the majority of the main characters). It must be horrible to spend a movie constantly looking for ways to be offended.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,520 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's also important to remember that Wanda took down Black Bolt and Mr.Fantastic pretty quickly because they were still trying to reason with her at the time. When the fighting starts, you have Cap.Marvel (who if her powers are similar to our Cap.Marvel is one of the strongest Avengers), and Captain Carter, who is shown as being no more or less powerful than Captain America who regularly fought against people far more powerful than him but held his own. Captain Carter is merely a substitute for him. If she's a Mary Sue, Steve Rogers is a male version of that.

    It's not M-She-U or Mary Sues or whatever other nonsense. Hero/Villain power levels always rise or fall to suit the narrative and their opponent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,999 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I cant fathom how people are saying that this interferes with wandavision, or renders wandavision pointless?

    If anything, its a direct continuation of it, it literally picks up her story from the exact location she settled in at the end of the series, where she was shown reading the darkhold.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    People claiming the decline of the MCU have once again been quietened by the box office returns here, for what historically have been two 'B-Team MCU characters, at best.

    Seeing as this and the recent Spider-Man No Way Home are two of the three biggest MCU non-major team-up openings ever, there is very little evidence of 'Marvel fatigue'.





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭santana75


    $185 million..........Dang! Can only imagine what Thor: Love & Thunder will do on its opening weekend.



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    I’m trying to be nice & unspoilery, so I hope you don’t mind if I blurt these out here…

    1. Wanda’s in the ‘RA.
    2. I heard the Captain Carter action figures were going for 50% off…..

    Now that’s out of the way, it was very much a Raimi movie to me. The Ash cameo was excellently done. But I do fear this movie, being so far down the rabbit hole, will turn off a lot of casual fans. Not enough to be a problem, but I’d be hesitant to recommend it to anyone just looking for a good few hours in the cinema like I would with Guardians of the Galaxy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I going again tonight... Not that I think it's brilliant, but I have a free night and. Know I probably missed a lot...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Actually Wanda took out Blackbolt because Mr. Fantastic was trying to reason with her. He told her about the vocal power and she turned Blackbolt’s own power against him. ;)

    I was going to point to the Thanos fight myself.

    Changing power levels is very common in fantasy and action movies and TV shows. In Star Wars Force powered characters regularly hold back for no reason when fighting each other or non-Force people. Hulk is no match no match for Thanos at all but Cap can take him on?

    This can all be ignored until one of the characters has boobs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I haven’t seen those comments.

    It makes no sense whatsoever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    You clearly don’t understand anything.

    People flocking to every Marvel movie, cheering in the seats and the movies are breaking box offices records.

    THAT is Marvel fatigue


    :p



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    @[Deleted User]

    the ‘RA ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭Homelander


    When people talk about Marvel fatigue they generally mean people's willingness to take part in a whole new IP with brand new central and tertiary characters.

    Dr. Strange and Spiderman are still tied to what came before and also linked with very well known heroes; people are familiar with them, invested in them, and want to see more of the universe they already know.

    Dr. Strange made more in a few days than Shang Chi and Eternals made in their entire runs and that's pretty much why.

    That is more where the fatigue comes into play. Most of the upcoming films involve either characters already established firmly in previous phases or tied to characters that were, so I'd imagine they will pretty much all do well. Thor, Black Panther, Guardians, etc will all continue to do very good numbers.

    Shang Chi and Eternals were entirely seperate so people just were not as bothered. I saw both in the cinema and was completely indifferent to both, though Shang Chi is pretty OK standard Marvel fare where Eternals is just plain bad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭flazio


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    Am I the only one who heard Wolf Tones blare “COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS” the moment Carter got Darth Mauled? I mean….all that Britannia Reborn getup…. It riled my inner Republican.


    though imagine Captain Carter vs. Killmonger. That would be chair-popcorn….



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    It is said a bunch of times in this that it's the Darkhold that corrupts people , so this is a perfect continuation for her arc she had starting using the Darkhold at the end of Wandavision and obviously it'd had taken hold of her it wasn't all her basically that was willing to straight up murder America Chavez


    It goes in to detail to show what happened 2 of the other Stranges that they couldn't handle it , one destroyed universes the other one ended up being melted by the Illuminati


    I loved it and was engaged through all of it , Love how Horror centric they made it and suits the strange property so well


    I'd love if they gave Sam Raimi the keys to the Ghost Rider franchise , a proper one not the shite that new line gave us with Nicholas Cage ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, just seen it and I thought it was a bit crap. It ain't Thor 2 or Eternals bad but it's not good either. The horror elements were interesting considering its a MCU film but outside that and Olsen being a great actress, it didn't have much else.

    Had the same issue as Spiderman of throwing cameos at the film to make up for the lack of a film. Keeps the seals clapping when you throw new faces on screen.

    Also, it might be the worst CGI in any MCU film. The fight at the start with the eye monster was very ropey. You could see the outline from the CGI around them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    That isn't the definition for fatigue that posters have written on threads here over and over again. When they've spoken about Marvel fatigue they've said along the lines of 'Endgame was the peak and I don't really care anymore' - it was a much broader fatigue for Marvel.

    Nearly universally the public have been slow to pick up on new lesser known MCU characters that don't have an external driver, like Black Panther or Captain Marvel. For example, the original Dr Strange movie took in less than half of this movie on its opening weekend.

    Shang-Chi and Eternals were released during COVID so aren't a good barometer for interest, on some measures they actually far outdid the likes of Ant-Man. It is hard enough to get the public to watch a new hero, it is even harder during a pandemic when the public isn't interested in most casual visits to the cinema.

    The point you are making above regarding the upcoming MCU movies is one that I was making to those claiming/hoping for fatigue. The initial post COVID run up until Spider-Man was basically a palate cleanser for the MCU, they're now back to their 'A' and 'B' characters rather than the 'C' and 'D' and the audience is back nearly as much as before.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    How sad are people that they are hoping for fatigue for any kind of movie?

    if a person doesn’t like something then why are they watching it and/or devoting time to typing about my it here?



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