Ireland's defensive frailty exposed by Russian exercise

Or they hadn't a clue what our eez zone entailed more likely, not many people would have

They may play dumb and deny everything they have ever done , but they are not stupid , unlike

If we had fighter jets and warships and threatened to use them to defend our space I wonder would the Russians have moved the drills. I suspect not.

Wed have been better off seeing if they'd start up the beef exports first

Looks like our defence was more than adequate, crisis averted and not single shot fired.

We're they embarrassed when they shot down flight MH17 over ukraine killing hundreds of civilians ...

Not a hope ,do you think they would care what happened to some poor fishermen from Cork ,they dump their own soldiers in unmarked mass graves .

Like Ukraine

And what .

Your point is ????

Because we no capability to monitor or deter such actions,

But I get the feeling we will becoming under pressure from the EU, Americans to do our part, which will mean spending money on defense ,

I see salty tears 😭

There still coming ..

imagine bigging up Simon covney only to realize the Russians are still coming.

And the Defense forces won't be going anywhere , they might just be getting some new equipment though

Imagine that!

Crisis averted now lad. Simon sent Vlad a stern warning to back off or else.

And if not we're mugs for believing Russia would suddenly change military plans for a few lads out fishing from Cork .

That's right, it will be interesting to see how it works out.

I've been watching this Thread with bemusement. This has been blown out of all proportions (No Pun intended)

Naval exercises occur off the Irish coast regularly, it would seem to me the only question was the precise location, slightly within the EEZ, I suspect more of an error on the Russians behalf and only required a move away from the location by a few miles.

There's barely a whisper when American or Russian Submarines are spotted off the coast of Donegal or for that matter Flotillas from both nations passing by. Some will argue that's because they are Allies, I say we are supposed to be neutral and by default allies doesn't come into it. What about the free for all access of American Soldiers in and out of Shannon, the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Our Navy is a Defence force in name only and is in essence a patrol service with a limit rescue and humanitarian remit. Some will argue it needs to be strengthened, I say why, unless as a nation we are prepared to spend Billions, its utterly pointless. One Aircraft Carrier or Nuclear submarine from American / Russian Navy's cost is many, many, many multiples of our entire defence budget over decades.

I see mention of Russians shooting down Civilian planes, not a mention of the Americans shooting down an Iranian civilian passenger aeroplane during the Iran/Iraq war. Talk of the first land war on European continent since World War 2 is utter nonsense, there's the Bosnia /Serb war many seem to have forgotten and NATO stood idly by for almost 9 years allowing atrocities continue.

The Hysterics over this on the Live Line Program all last week, whilst entirely amusing and ill informed was bizzare, no Doubt Joe Duffy will take credit for the resolution, his distain and contempt for all things Russia was extraordinary, there was even talk of Russian submarines in cork Harbour back in the 60's 🙄

There is no defensive frailty, there is no threat from the Russians or any nation, yes there's a wind up of Nato and like it or Not, Putin has and contues to play a blinder, he's taking the Pee and loving every minute of it.

The Results just In

Russia and The Irish Fishing industry 10

Nato 0

@Dempo1 ,

Naval exercises - no live fire excercises don't .

Submarines and other vessels can sail through seas nothing uncommon there and again no live fire excercises.

We want Aircraft carriers and submarines .

Nobody on this thread or any other thread has remotely suggested anything like that ...

Iran - whataboutry it's pre boards but it's been discussed here .

Stick to joe and covid

O Dear very tetchy this morning @Gatling , I guess there's something in that user name .

Last count , 4 different Threads on this topic , most ill informed.

Just because an atrocity is pre Boards, doesn't make it acceptable incidently, but perhaps your annoyed at my reminder that it's not only the Big Bad Russians who've shot down Civilian aircraft .

The Thread specifically asks about Irelands Defence frailty by Russian exercises.

I'm simply pointing out these exercises have little to do with our Defence Frailty in reality.

Thanks for advice re sticking with Covid (Classic deflection) which I'll ignore and as for the live line, I'm not alone in thinking it was was the greatest pile of nonsense last week, 4 days of Moronic nonsense.

Like it or not Irelands Naval Service "Patrols" our Territorial waters , The Russians , Like it or not have done nothing illegal and this Article might interest or perhaps infuriate you , out this morning , enjoy 😉 I see Article posted earlier but just incase you missed it with your Diatribe.....

Triple spend required, that's never, ever going to happen.

But nice to see its the fishing community that resolved matters, not Government or indeed Naval Service.

Thanks to @source for posting this independent article..

The second option will propose a 50pc increase in defence spending to around €1.5bn per annum to improve troop protection, in part through a larger fleet of armoured personnel carriers, increased firepower, and better air defence for land forces. This would include additional helicopters, and a primary radar capability to support national security.

The report will note that the lack of any such radar is a clear weakness, in that it effectively means that aircraft flying in Irish airspace can remain undetected if their transponders are turned off. The commission received several submissions on this issue, with the Irish Aviation Authority saying the military “should have full capability to detect potential aircraft infringements into our national airspace”.

Radar .

Armour

Helicopters

Jets.

Boats

These are exactly whats being asked for not just now but several years ,by the people who serve in out armed forces , hopefully they now pull peace keeping till we are better reorganised to defend our country and waters

The Aircorp to be rebranded to Airforce

Naval service rebranded as Navy

ARW rebranded Special operations force or IRL SOF (about time )

No aircraft carriers ,no submarines,no f22 or F35 stealth aircraft,no Nuclear weapons (the shite suggested on here )

Just pretty much Basic stuff required to defend , patrol. Monitor our skies and waters

@Dempo1 Last count , 4 different Threads on this topic , most ill informed.

And your the one who brought up wanting "Aircraft Carriers"

ill informed exactly .

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