Should we in Ireland be concerned about Jihad?

Yep there is two small ones, most if not all of the big ones though were done for retaliation or to achieve some sort of political objective to force public opinion to withdraw from the middle east.

Well the jihadis like in 9/11, 7/7, Paris attacks all claim that they done it because of Western interference in the middle east and to force public opinion to change and put pressure on the governments to withdraw from the middle east.

You seem to miss my point completely, that I'm just saying what the jihadis cite as their reasons for doing such actions, the media doesn't tell you the real reasons (maybe rightfully so) due to not wanting to give the terrorists a voice which might lead to other young Muslims understanding them and maybe commiting terror attacks of their own.

Ah come on Glock, your are around long enough to have seen the Whataboutery ploy.

Terrorist attack is carried out by people who are devout followers of a particular religion and ideology so we get references to catholics in the PIRA.

Grooming gangs 90% made up of people with one particular religious background are being discussed so we get references to catholic church priests and christian brothers abuse.

A rape is committed by a recent illegal migrant and we get told about all the rapes committed by natives.

Crimes are carried out by recent illegal migrant and we get told about how many native criminals there are.

Eventually we get reminded of the crusades.

Oh and another ploy by a particular poster is to remind us there are laws to protect us.

Of course they stay silent when reminded the laws didn't protect those kids in Manchester, the priest in France, the teacher in France, those out for a walk in Nice, the commuters in London or Madrid, etc, etc, etc, etc.

A bunch of women and girls were out in Milan on New Years and were cornered, groped, had their clothes removed, sexually assaulted some to the extent of being digitally raped.

So you had TV news networks giving examples of how Italian news and sports presenters had their bottoms pinched by Italian dudes.

It is like these media types, NGO types and the liberal fawners will do anything rather than face the fact a lot of the recent immigrants and not so recent immigrants from particular areas of the world cause untold social problems if not death and destruction.

I often wonder when they will finally say enough is enough?

Another huge issue is if the local islamic centre gets funding from particular organisations or particular Gulf States.

The real problem with Islam, is the instructions in the Quran to Kill the unbelievers, Stone the adulterers, Chop limbs etc. And these verses are what are causing all the trouble.

Do you honestly imagine that without those verses in the Quran, people wouldn’t simply contrive another ideology to claim their hatred and violence they commit against other people is justifiable?

They would of course, they already do. The real problem isn’t with Islam at all, the real problem is some people will gravitate towards ideologies that justify their behaviour towards others, and if an ideology doesn’t exist, they’ll simply invent one -

That’s exactly the point that’s being made - there are any number of sources which contain killing and justification for killing and so on, so while the Harry Potter books contain plenty of violence, they’re just not that well written that they actually inspire the sort of radicalisation, extremism and reward for their righteousness that makes their abhorrent behaviour morally justifiable, that is present in other ideological belief systems.

Consider for example the following passage -

The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

It’s more Fifty Shades than Harry Potter 🤨

The point being that the above passage can be interpreted a number of different ways, depending upon the motivations of the interpreter. @jmreire‘s point about radicalisation and extremism is entirely a fair point, but what’s not fair is to suggest that Islam promotes radicalism or extremism or justifies all sorts of abhorrent attitudes and behaviour towards others.

It depends upon how any idea is interpreted, and whether or not anyone who is exposed to it can relate to it or not. When it comes to radicalisation and extremism, the vast majority of it’s adherents aren’t particularly literate, nor will they have studied theology to anything like the degree that the scholars who are doing the interpretation for them, will have studied the source material. How many Christians for example do you reckon have actually read the Bible for themselves, as opposed to having it interpreted for them by a learned scholar who readily engages in cherry picking the bits that suit their own interests and radicalising their students? The same is true of Islam, or any religion you want to point fingers at to suggest it’s promoting radicalisation and extremism, as evidenced by the fact that a handful of it’s adherents are gone well off the reservation.

The same arguments were made in the 80’s in Britain by religious groups about “video nasties”, led by one Mary Whitehouse. Hers was simply a different form of radicalised extremism where she argued that British society was becoming more permissive. She didn’t approve of the idea that basically society was changing rapidly around her. Same sort of rhetoric is aimed at any kind of social and political changes in society by people who just don’t approve, because it threatens their own dominant narrative. The same sort of rhetoric was aimed at Fifty Shades too -

Having read the books and seen the films myself, I don’t think there’s any fear that anyone who would take inspiration from the books is going to be leading a social revolution any time soon, if you catch my drift? They’re hardly among the greatest literary works of the 20th century.