Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

darconio · 17-01-2022 7:42pm

Some french restaurants changed their status into private club: you can obtain a free membership card on the spot and in this way they are not obliged to enforce the covid cert to their customer. Not sure what's the Irish regulation for what regards private clubs, could this be done over here?

PTH2009 · 17-01-2022 7:45pm

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1483123631328796680?s=20

I'm guessing Covid will still come out after 12

FFS going back into these phases and will no doubt be dragged out till maybe after Paddy's Day. No doubt 100% attendance's for indoor and outdoor are still not been considered and for what scientific reason might that be ??

growleaves · 17-01-2022 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491032#Comment_118491032

There are casinos which open til 4am in the middle of Dublin right now.

Many casinos in this country are private clubs, and were open even while 'casinos' officially had the same status as nightclubs (Level 1?)

I could see private cinema clubs becoming a thing here if certs aren't got rid of.

JRant · 17-01-2022 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491045#Comment_118491045

I hope the IRFU are exploring the possibility of playing games in England because another year with tiny crowds for the 6N is going to be crippling for them.

growleaves · 17-01-2022 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491064#Comment_118491064

Lets blow this fascist popsicle stand.

astrofool · 17-01-2022 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490757#Comment_118490757

They haven't started legislating for fourth doses yet have they? (It doesn't look like the EMA will approve a 4th shot without strict conditions from time of the third shot).

17-01-2022 7:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118454070#Comment_118454070

It’s actually a stick.

astrofool · 17-01-2022 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490896#Comment_118490896

I posted about it about a week ago, the economic cost of a low vaccinated populace is quite high in extra healthcare etc. there will be a non-medical push to get unvaccinated vaccinated because of this cost, they're looking at what might happen beyond Omicron and taking no chances.

I don't agree with it, but France and other countries ain't messing about with it and don't want further restrictions or lockdowns.

brickster69 · 17-01-2022 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491089#Comment_118491089

Who knows what they will do next. Sounds like Israel are starting to go cool on the idea now also going by early reports

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-study-shows-4th-vaccine-shot-not-good-enough-against-omicron/

growleaves · 17-01-2022 8:18pm

No one knows anything about human nature anymore. Macron saying he is going to 'torment' the unvaccinated is going to make it even harder to convince the recalcitrant because now they'll feel like they're giving in. Now its a personal defeat.

This is one task at which Martin, with his sad eyes and gentle pleading, is much better. He has enough humility and wisdom not to hit people over the head with threats though our cert system is even harsher than the French one.

JRant · 17-01-2022 8:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491084#Comment_118491084

The crowds would flock to the games if they did move them across.

brickster69 · 17-01-2022 9:04pm

These vaccination passes have been in the planning for years now, even the most ardent anti conspiracy theorist will be hard pushed to deny it. The travel pass was just an excuse to get it into full use.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/system/files/2019-09/2019-2022_roadmap_en_0.pdf

noraos · 17-01-2022 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491360#Comment_118491360

If I couldn't get a ticket to a game i'd still go for the buzz in the pubs imagine the craic..!. I'd probably have tears of happiness rolling down my face as I hug random strangers in Irish Jerseys..or any nationality really haha. I'd even be smiling while standing in a long queue for the ladies...cos it would feel 'normal' 🤣!!

Father Hernandez · 17-01-2022 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491045#Comment_118491045

What’s the science behind closing time of 12pm. Will any journalist/reporter even question this?

We’re supposed to be led by science as has supposedly been the case along. Is there any science behind 12pm closing or is it solely another attack on the hospitality sector from someone who is anti alcohol?

walus · 17-01-2022 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491169#Comment_118491169

One possibility could be that frequent vaccination in fact reduces the natural immunity that comes from T-cells, and consequently more and more people contract the virus as T-cells become less effective.

is there any science on what 4 shots of mRNA do to the immune system? That was a rhetorical question btw.

in my opinion whoever recommends these vaccines to healthy young people and kids is a charlatan.

DLink · 17-01-2022 9:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490896#Comment_118490896

Lots of other countries in the world to visit......

I'd like to say good luck to the French, and off with them, but our clowns won't want to be left behind because, you know, they won't want to go from being the hardest in Europe to the softest 🙄

bokale · 17-01-2022 9:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491483#Comment_118491483

What closing time would you suggest? And what's the science for it?

noraos · 17-01-2022 9:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491507#Comment_118491507

Alot of people Ferry to France but drive further on into Europe.., I do it my self every year and usually don't have accommodation booked as I just have my tent.. I wonder what would be the case be here if you're just effectively passing through...

UK truck drivers..there are lot of reasons people land in France, not just for tourism.. its the gateway to us here and UK too..Vaccine mandate in Canada-US caused major delays in deliveries etc..Will be interesting to see how it goes..

bucketybuck · 17-01-2022 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491517#Comment_118491517

Are we officially at the point where the general public has to argue their case not to be restricted?

Its not so long ago that Leo was saying this: "Freedom was hard won in our country, and it jars with us, to restrict and limit individual liberties, even temporarily."

Or is restriction now the default, there to stay unless we can justify otherwise?

bokale · 17-01-2022 9:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491549#Comment_118491549

Nah I'm trying to push my Give Us The Night narrative!

https://twitter.com/GiveUsTheNight/status/1483117972327645187?t=_ILoEavRSnkSeUC1GYPsLw&s=19

Chris_5339762 · 17-01-2022 9:45pm

I can see an Omicron (or whatever the next variant is) booster being available in September/October. And that will be the start of an annual Covid booster campaign for those at risk and healthcare workers etc.

BruteStock · 17-01-2022 9:46pm

Things haven't been open past 12 in over two years. Unless you count the time they threw us a pity bone for 3 weeks. The time for no restrictions is now, people need a break. God forbid another flavour mutates and we're back to square one. No more phased reopening cos we heard it all before.

Dickie10 · 17-01-2022 9:55pm

i think we could have a period each winter where we have 10pm shutting during xmas, to curb too much flu season.

Penfailed · 17-01-2022 9:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491661#Comment_118491661

I don't.

lawred2 · 17-01-2022 10:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491169#Comment_118491169

A 5th dose obviously.

bucketybuck · 17-01-2022 10:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491661#Comment_118491661

I got pilloried last year for daring to point out that the justifications for restrictions pre-vaccine availability would still apply post-vaccine, whenever the health service came under pressure for any reason. Yet here we are.

The same people who called me a doom monger then will probably do so again, but the same principle still applies today, you cannot clap on your balcony for the front line heroes and then ignore them for a normal trolley crisis.

We opened pandoras box and it is no surprise that we are struggling to close it again.

mcsean2163 · 17-01-2022 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489376#Comment_118489376

Maybe see it from their point of view.

The system pre lockdown forces them to commute long distances and miss out on the most important years with their children. Their children's lives were being damaged by a risible system.

Why would they rush out to help others, others that realistically could change career if they really wanted, to do something that would damage their children? I suspect there will be little remorse except maybe to the 18 -- 22 years old brigade.

lawred2 · 17-01-2022 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491683#Comment_118491683

No no no my clapping only extended to covid related measures. Couldn't give a shoite otherwise.

bucketybuck · 17-01-2022 10:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491697#Comment_118491697

Its takes some neck to pretend that any of what happened was to protect the children. Or is throwing children under the bus actually just for their own good?

17-01-2022 10:07pm

Call me a cynic, but isn't it very, very convenient that as soon as PCR case positives begin to stabilise, NPHET promote adding antigen test results to bump up the figures to make the picture look uglier?

Of course, that means NPHET is likely to include this data as a reason for restrictions to continue beyond 31 January.

What a shambles.

Father Hernandez · 17-01-2022 10:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491517#Comment_118491517

Closing time IMO should revert back to normal pre pandemic.

Restrictions didn’t work over Christmas, we ended up being the 7th worst in the world per capita for cases, thankfully vast majority was a mild flu.

What’s the point in opening up to 11pm/12pm where businesses and hospitality are still not operating as normal. Nightclubs are still being punished and looks like they won’t be allowed open, when will they be allowed open? I say that as someone who’d never mind if I didn’t stand in another nightclub again btw.

17-01-2022 10:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491735#Comment_118491735

Omicron is the common cold. Delta wasn't.

Netherlands had extreme restrictions and ended up no different to other European countries.

Johnson proved right not to restrict England, and Scotland and Wales - with restrictions - performed no better.

There is no argument for these restrictions to continue.

Medical bureaucrats and academic administrators love chewing over the data, spewing out more restrictions.

The real-life data shows that they're wrong - again, again, again, and again.

noraos · 17-01-2022 10:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491697#Comment_118491697

Wow!!.what an ignorant post...can change career if they really want to!? Why should they..? So some people can avoid a commute??. Maybe those people could really change their careers to work closer to their children!! If it was that easy.

What a bizarre and selfish response...the LAST person's view I will look at this from, with sympathy and compassion, are the people who were the least effected with their full time secure jobs on a laptop at home...thousands of peoples livelihoods and families have been destroyed as a direct result of these restrictions...

Children's lives damaged from a commute!!.. and people commiting suicide all over the country..give me strength..

Richard Hillman · 17-01-2022 11:13pm

I asked this question over the summer. I got one answer to it, who said September-October 2021 but I'll ask it again....

Under what circumstances do people believe that the NPHET Government will lift ALL restrictions?

It doesn't seem forthcoming. And seeing the France's Wish.coms version of Napoleon, giving large about 4month boosters, Vaccine mandates thoughout their sporting summer, the "conspiracy theory" of forever restrictions is looking more plausible.

If you don't think that there are intentions for forever restrictions from the controlling elements of the EU or NPHET, ask to yourselves "Under what circumstances do you believe the NPHET Government will life ALL restrictions in Ireland?". 2019 conditions.

Red Silurian · 17-01-2022 11:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

The smart thing to do now would be to go back to the October 22nd reopening ASAP, if cases continue to fall after that i can't think of a good reason for further restrictions. Unfortunately we have an old bald idiot in charge, sooner FFG go the better

noraos · 17-01-2022 11:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

A week or so ago, I would have said by April the majority of them will be gone.. but after all my negative article reading today (which put be in a cranky mood so won't be doing that again so soon) ..I'd say there are some things gonna be around forever more. Masks etc..maybe not by law..but in the form of recommendations and people will follow them, and it will be our new normal..

I'm hoping that we won't have entertainment, pub, restaurant curfews anymore..but I think hospital numbers over winters could possibly bring other restrictions back in the future.. I hope I'm very very wrong.

I also don't think the emergency legislation is just gonna expire and all that control lost..they'll hold onto that for a while...

KanyeSouthEast · 17-01-2022 11:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492102#Comment_118492102

I agree but say as you said the sooner FFG go the better. Then what? SF in power who have been more in favour of restrictions than the current lot are in power. The govt has been diabolical but the opposition has been worse.

Penfailed · 17-01-2022 11:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

It's anybodies guess...but I'll go with mid-April.

Red Silurian · 17-01-2022 11:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492156#Comment_118492156

SF aren't the ones blindly following the recommendations of NPHET, no matter how off the wall they seem to be

astrofool · 17-01-2022 11:59pm

Restrictions starting to be lifted this week apparently:

Major easing of Covid restrictions expected this week (breakingnews.ie)

Stheno · 18-01-2022 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

From the end of the month is when it will apply

francogarbanzo · 18-01-2022 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

Seems like a pretty minor easing to me.

Always_Running · 18-01-2022 12:16am

The leaks are out? Some difference from a year ago.

Ha Long Bay · 18-01-2022 12:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492263#Comment_118492263

What part do you see as minor easing if the reports are true?

Going from 5000 to 51000+ people in the Aviva for the Six nations?

"It is also expected that full capacity will be permitted at outdoor sporting events, which will impact the upcoming Six Nations rugby championships and GAA league matches."

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:34am

Local radio station here reporting

Tanaiste Leo Varadkar believes Ireland is coming to a point where it needs to "move on" from COVID-19 restrictions

I was getting excited before I realized they got the tanaiste's name wrong, oh well...

Dickie10 · 18-01-2022 12:36am

the pressure was always going to be massive for 6 nations games. every other nation bar us would have full houses.

scrips · 18-01-2022 12:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489164#Comment_118489164

Unfortunately you are doing what the government and the media have done throughout the pandemic, you are making out that there is a single, militant anti-vax 'brigade' in society whose views are completely misaligned with the common good and who wish to cause trouble. This notion of a group with a common identity is simply not the case and this kind of labelling has been shown up to be gaslighting at its finest. In months and years to come we may even, with hindsight, respect how some of these people campaigned to protect our civil liberties.

Having said that, I have also gone along with the majority, to make life easier for myself and seem compliant. But as you say it's an absolute nonsense continuing to wear masks now as we are told that Omicron is unavoidable anyway (unless you are wearing one to protect from other respiratory illnesses, which may not be a bad idea).

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492425#Comment_118492425

France and Italy haven't confirmed ending of restrictions yet but the IRFU wouldn't hesitate to move games to one of the other home nations who gladly let the Irish in without any checks, I'd say it will be a consideration, however small

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492377#Comment_118492377

When are they proposing to remove the sport capacity limits? Could Munsters game this weekend be a full house?

hamburgham · 18-01-2022 12:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491760#Comment_118491760

The establishment here would choke here before they’d give BoJo credit for anything. I remember the sneering of Pat Kenny about how stupid he was to go ahead with their ‘ Freedom Day’ back last Summer. Guess what, nothing terrible happened, not that Pat would ever acknowledge that.

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