Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Stheno · 18-01-2022 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

From the end of the month is when it will apply

francogarbanzo · 18-01-2022 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

Seems like a pretty minor easing to me.

Always_Running · 18-01-2022 12:16am

The leaks are out? Some difference from a year ago.

Ha Long Bay · 18-01-2022 12:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492263#Comment_118492263

What part do you see as minor easing if the reports are true?

Going from 5000 to 51000+ people in the Aviva for the Six nations?

"It is also expected that full capacity will be permitted at outdoor sporting events, which will impact the upcoming Six Nations rugby championships and GAA league matches."

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:34am

Local radio station here reporting

Tanaiste Leo Varadkar believes Ireland is coming to a point where it needs to "move on" from COVID-19 restrictions

I was getting excited before I realized they got the tanaiste's name wrong, oh well...

Dickie10 · 18-01-2022 12:36am

the pressure was always going to be massive for 6 nations games. every other nation bar us would have full houses.

scrips · 18-01-2022 12:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489164#Comment_118489164

Unfortunately you are doing what the government and the media have done throughout the pandemic, you are making out that there is a single, militant anti-vax 'brigade' in society whose views are completely misaligned with the common good and who wish to cause trouble. This notion of a group with a common identity is simply not the case and this kind of labelling has been shown up to be gaslighting at its finest. In months and years to come we may even, with hindsight, respect how some of these people campaigned to protect our civil liberties.

Having said that, I have also gone along with the majority, to make life easier for myself and seem compliant. But as you say it's an absolute nonsense continuing to wear masks now as we are told that Omicron is unavoidable anyway (unless you are wearing one to protect from other respiratory illnesses, which may not be a bad idea).

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492425#Comment_118492425

France and Italy haven't confirmed ending of restrictions yet but the IRFU wouldn't hesitate to move games to one of the other home nations who gladly let the Irish in without any checks, I'd say it will be a consideration, however small

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492377#Comment_118492377

When are they proposing to remove the sport capacity limits? Could Munsters game this weekend be a full house?

hamburgham · 18-01-2022 12:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491760#Comment_118491760

The establishment here would choke here before they’d give BoJo credit for anything. I remember the sneering of Pat Kenny about how stupid he was to go ahead with their ‘ Freedom Day’ back last Summer. Guess what, nothing terrible happened, not that Pat would ever acknowledge that.

Pigeon Chaser · 18-01-2022 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492417#Comment_118492417

Is there a joke buried in here that's gone over my head?

Derkaiser93 · 18-01-2022 1:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

I'd like to see restrictions go too now at this stage but even if nphet are conservative , restrictions like masks and certs are still in place in nearly every country right now, and some with more restrictions than us. The international political and scientific community and WHO still are still clasifying this as the pandemic stage for now and at least short term future....regardless of what you, Richard Hillman on boards.ie thinks or says. I'm not nphets biggest fan and as I said would like restrictions gone very soon but this isn't unique to ireland nor nphet regardless of what you or others on here inconsequential opinion is.

charlie_says · 18-01-2022 2:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

Maybe if vote of no confidence in government and huge public unrest? I don't see this happening outside of food/energy shortages for anything in Ireland.

NHEPT get rebranded but remain. There will be mask restrictions on certain places for years to come, especially public transport and air travel.

Honestly unless a real populist movement starts we will have nanny state here for good, the coof was a bigger 9/11 event for bureaucrats/managerial elite types who will wield it over us for decades in some form.

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lee_baby_simms · 18-01-2022 7:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492103#Comment_118492103

I think the aftermath of 9/11 is a very useful example of what can happen during exceptional circumstances. The relationship between the public and states is temporarily suspended due to the ‘emergency’. The danger during this period is that entire political dispensations grow around these temporary conditions.

I’ve little difficulty in imagining that vaccine passports and masks will now be a permanent fixture in our lives to varying degrees going forward.

18-01-2022 7:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491722#Comment_118491722

Not sure if serious.

You and the 10 people thanking your post do realise that the antigen results are from people who previously would have been sent for pcr and therefore would have been included in the numbers anyway? And that it is highly likely that not everyone is actually bothering to upload their antigen results? And that even with antigens included the numbers are falling rapidly?

18-01-2022 8:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492796#Comment_118492796

No other country does it.

NPHET will always find a means to crowbar the figures up and up and up.

We've already peaked, apparently, and yet restrictions are likely to continue.

Pubs and bars close at 12pm? Where is the European precedent that shows that the 2 extra hours beyond this, prevent some large-scale tsunami of infection that will overwhelm a hospital after the peak has been reached?

Nowhere is the correct answer.

Again, call me a cynic but if evidence and logic is not behind the decision, then what the hell is?

bear1 · 18-01-2022 9:17am

So, really if this goes ahead, our only remaining restrictions would be the 12am closing time and masks?

JRant · 18-01-2022 9:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

And the covid certs.

is_that_so · 18-01-2022 9:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492498#Comment_118492498

BoJo as an example of pandemic management is an extremely low bar and one reasonable gamble doesn't make it otherwise. We are all about the abundant caution, a phrase that has been repeated many times.

Mr.Crinklewood · 18-01-2022 9:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492796#Comment_118492796

I was assuming OP was being sarcastic.... rereading....I'm unsure!

18-01-2022 9:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

Covid passport.

hamburgham · 18-01-2022 9:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492926#Comment_118492926

I’d say on balance he got more right than our lot. Our prolonged and extensive lockdown didn’t demonstrate any intelligence, just extreme risk aversion and arse covering.

Population density has a large bearing on this. England is very densely populated so that had a bearing on infection rates. I wonder if national death rates were adjusted for density and age profile, how they would look.

18-01-2022 9:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492926#Comment_118492926

An abundance of caution has now become an abundance of stupidity.

is_that_so · 18-01-2022 9:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492954#Comment_118492954

Latterly perhaps, but 2020 was an appalling year for them and the 175,000 deaths takes an awful lot of balancing.

walus · 18-01-2022 9:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

zero covid or zero deaths with/from/related to covid or nphet disbanded.

Only one option, however unlikely to happen, is feasible.

18-01-2022 9:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492954#Comment_118492954

And total risk aversion is the exact opposite of "managing" a pandemic, or "living with COVID-19".

Effective management would be about managing risk proportionately and taking calculated risks - not total risk aversion, which is basically a means of evading the above difficult decisions by taking the far simpler option of locking everything down. It covers the asses of NPHET and the Government.

is_that_so · 18-01-2022 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492958#Comment_118492958

It's been extreme since this time last year, maybe even before that but the poor 2020 Christmas call left the government in a position where they feel obliged to comply. Having some hypercautious people in government is also part of it.

bucketybuck · 18-01-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492964#Comment_118492964

Ireland was also a closed shop in the summer of 2020 when there were entire months without a death from covid and hospital figures in the double digits. The entire pandemic response has been absent of proportionality, there is nothing recent about this.

Richard Hillman · 18-01-2022 9:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492926#Comment_118492926

They got it bang on last year on when to drop everything and didn't flinch last month when Scotland and Wales did. The stats back them up. They were correct.

It also be noted that originally they were sticking with the "What to do if we have a pandemic" plan but came under too much media and public pressure to lockdown. And if you think it was a good idea to lockdown back in March 2020, it should also be noted that we locked down after the UK. I remember having to turn up to work here despite all of my UK colleagues being told to stay home.

Whitters22 · 18-01-2022 10:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

Social distancing

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings