Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

17-01-2022 10:07PM

Call me a cynic, but isn't it very, very convenient that as soon as PCR case positives begin to stabilise, NPHET promote adding antigen test results to bump up the figures to make the picture look uglier?

Of course, that means NPHET is likely to include this data as a reason for restrictions to continue beyond 31 January.

What a shambles.

Father Hernandez · 17-01-2022 10:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491517#Comment_118491517

Closing time IMO should revert back to normal pre pandemic.

Restrictions didn’t work over Christmas, we ended up being the 7th worst in the world per capita for cases, thankfully vast majority was a mild flu.

What’s the point in opening up to 11pm/12pm where businesses and hospitality are still not operating as normal. Nightclubs are still being punished and looks like they won’t be allowed open, when will they be allowed open? I say that as someone who’d never mind if I didn’t stand in another nightclub again btw.

17-01-2022 10:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491735#Comment_118491735

Omicron is the common cold. Delta wasn't.

Netherlands had extreme restrictions and ended up no different to other European countries.

Johnson proved right not to restrict England, and Scotland and Wales - with restrictions - performed no better.

There is no argument for these restrictions to continue.

Medical bureaucrats and academic administrators love chewing over the data, spewing out more restrictions.

The real-life data shows that they're wrong - again, again, again, and again.

noraos · 17-01-2022 10:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491697#Comment_118491697

Wow!!.what an ignorant post...can change career if they really want to!? Why should they..? So some people can avoid a commute??. Maybe those people could really change their careers to work closer to their children!! If it was that easy.

What a bizarre and selfish response...the LAST person's view I will look at this from, with sympathy and compassion, are the people who were the least effected with their full time secure jobs on a laptop at home...thousands of peoples livelihoods and families have been destroyed as a direct result of these restrictions...

Children's lives damaged from a commute!!.. and people commiting suicide all over the country..give me strength..

Richard Hillman · 17-01-2022 11:13PM

I asked this question over the summer. I got one answer to it, who said September-October 2021 but I'll ask it again....

Under what circumstances do people believe that the NPHET Government will lift ALL restrictions?

It doesn't seem forthcoming. And seeing the France's Wish.coms version of Napoleon, giving large about 4month boosters, Vaccine mandates thoughout their sporting summer, the "conspiracy theory" of forever restrictions is looking more plausible.

If you don't think that there are intentions for forever restrictions from the controlling elements of the EU or NPHET, ask to yourselves "Under what circumstances do you believe the NPHET Government will life ALL restrictions in Ireland?". 2019 conditions.

Red Silurian · 17-01-2022 11:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

The smart thing to do now would be to go back to the October 22nd reopening ASAP, if cases continue to fall after that i can't think of a good reason for further restrictions. Unfortunately we have an old bald idiot in charge, sooner FFG go the better

noraos · 17-01-2022 11:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

A week or so ago, I would have said by April the majority of them will be gone.. but after all my negative article reading today (which put be in a cranky mood so won't be doing that again so soon) ..I'd say there are some things gonna be around forever more. Masks etc..maybe not by law..but in the form of recommendations and people will follow them, and it will be our new normal..

I'm hoping that we won't have entertainment, pub, restaurant curfews anymore..but I think hospital numbers over winters could possibly bring other restrictions back in the future.. I hope I'm very very wrong.

I also don't think the emergency legislation is just gonna expire and all that control lost..they'll hold onto that for a while...

KanyeSouthEast · 17-01-2022 11:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492102#Comment_118492102

I agree but say as you said the sooner FFG go the better. Then what? SF in power who have been more in favour of restrictions than the current lot are in power. The govt has been diabolical but the opposition has been worse.

Penfailed · 17-01-2022 11:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

It's anybodies guess...but I'll go with mid-April.

Red Silurian · 17-01-2022 11:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492156#Comment_118492156

SF aren't the ones blindly following the recommendations of NPHET, no matter how off the wall they seem to be

astrofool · 17-01-2022 11:59PM

Restrictions starting to be lifted this week apparently:

Major easing of Covid restrictions expected this week (breakingnews.ie)

Stheno · 18-01-2022 12:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

From the end of the month is when it will apply

francogarbanzo · 18-01-2022 12:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

Seems like a pretty minor easing to me.

Always_Running · 18-01-2022 12:16AM

The leaks are out? Some difference from a year ago.

Ha Long Bay · 18-01-2022 12:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492263#Comment_118492263

What part do you see as minor easing if the reports are true?

Going from 5000 to 51000+ people in the Aviva for the Six nations?

"It is also expected that full capacity will be permitted at outdoor sporting events, which will impact the upcoming Six Nations rugby championships and GAA league matches."

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:34AM

Local radio station here reporting

Tanaiste Leo Varadkar believes Ireland is coming to a point where it needs to "move on" from COVID-19 restrictions

I was getting excited before I realized they got the tanaiste's name wrong, oh well...

Dickie10 · 18-01-2022 12:36AM

the pressure was always going to be massive for 6 nations games. every other nation bar us would have full houses.

scrips · 18-01-2022 12:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489164#Comment_118489164

Unfortunately you are doing what the government and the media have done throughout the pandemic, you are making out that there is a single, militant anti-vax 'brigade' in society whose views are completely misaligned with the common good and who wish to cause trouble. This notion of a group with a common identity is simply not the case and this kind of labelling has been shown up to be gaslighting at its finest. In months and years to come we may even, with hindsight, respect how some of these people campaigned to protect our civil liberties.

Having said that, I have also gone along with the majority, to make life easier for myself and seem compliant. But as you say it's an absolute nonsense continuing to wear masks now as we are told that Omicron is unavoidable anyway (unless you are wearing one to protect from other respiratory illnesses, which may not be a bad idea).

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492425#Comment_118492425

France and Italy haven't confirmed ending of restrictions yet but the IRFU wouldn't hesitate to move games to one of the other home nations who gladly let the Irish in without any checks, I'd say it will be a consideration, however small

Red Silurian · 18-01-2022 12:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492377#Comment_118492377

When are they proposing to remove the sport capacity limits? Could Munsters game this weekend be a full house?

hamburgham · 18-01-2022 12:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491760#Comment_118491760

The establishment here would choke here before they’d give BoJo credit for anything. I remember the sneering of Pat Kenny about how stupid he was to go ahead with their ‘ Freedom Day’ back last Summer. Guess what, nothing terrible happened, not that Pat would ever acknowledge that.

Pigeon Chaser · 18-01-2022 12:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492417#Comment_118492417

Is there a joke buried in here that's gone over my head?

Derkaiser93 · 18-01-2022 01:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

I'd like to see restrictions go too now at this stage but even if nphet are conservative , restrictions like masks and certs are still in place in nearly every country right now, and some with more restrictions than us. The international political and scientific community and WHO still are still clasifying this as the pandemic stage for now and at least short term future....regardless of what you, Richard Hillman on boards.ie thinks or says. I'm not nphets biggest fan and as I said would like restrictions gone very soon but this isn't unique to ireland nor nphet regardless of what you or others on here inconsequential opinion is.

charlie_says · 18-01-2022 02:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

Maybe if vote of no confidence in government and huge public unrest? I don't see this happening outside of food/energy shortages for anything in Ireland.

NHEPT get rebranded but remain. There will be mask restrictions on certain places for years to come, especially public transport and air travel.

Honestly unless a real populist movement starts we will have nanny state here for good, the coof was a bigger 9/11 event for bureaucrats/managerial elite types who will wield it over us for decades in some form.

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lee_baby_simms · 18-01-2022 07:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492103#Comment_118492103

I think the aftermath of 9/11 is a very useful example of what can happen during exceptional circumstances. The relationship between the public and states is temporarily suspended due to the ‘emergency’. The danger during this period is that entire political dispensations grow around these temporary conditions.

I’ve little difficulty in imagining that vaccine passports and masks will now be a permanent fixture in our lives to varying degrees going forward.

18-01-2022 07:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491722#Comment_118491722

Not sure if serious.

You and the 10 people thanking your post do realise that the antigen results are from people who previously would have been sent for pcr and therefore would have been included in the numbers anyway? And that it is highly likely that not everyone is actually bothering to upload their antigen results? And that even with antigens included the numbers are falling rapidly?

18-01-2022 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492796#Comment_118492796

No other country does it.

NPHET will always find a means to crowbar the figures up and up and up.

We've already peaked, apparently, and yet restrictions are likely to continue.

Pubs and bars close at 12pm? Where is the European precedent that shows that the 2 extra hours beyond this, prevent some large-scale tsunami of infection that will overwhelm a hospital after the peak has been reached?

Nowhere is the correct answer.

Again, call me a cynic but if evidence and logic is not behind the decision, then what the hell is?

bear1 · 18-01-2022 09:17AM

So, really if this goes ahead, our only remaining restrictions would be the 12am closing time and masks?

JRant · 18-01-2022 09:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

And the covid certs.

is_that_so · 18-01-2022 09:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492498#Comment_118492498

BoJo as an example of pandemic management is an extremely low bar and one reasonable gamble doesn't make it otherwise. We are all about the abundant caution, a phrase that has been repeated many times.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings