Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

bloopy

Indication of the removal of the certs?

Curious that he's trying to put the blame of them on the unvaccinated. Don't think many of the unvaccinated wanted his 'protection'.

Wonder how unpopular have they gotten? (The certs).

https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1483420094344609796?t=7Z4kuGhN2DNgxbM8QqrDtA&s=19

Redo91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494402#Comment_118494402

I would read that as the opposite. In other words that they will lift/ease restrictions on indoor events, etc but you will still need a cert to enter which makes sense.

cannonballTaffyOjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494076#Comment_118494076

in fairness Ireland removed the antigen requirement only after a few weeks..

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494402#Comment_118494402

I really hope this is the start of a politician trying to get ahead of the curve by actively speaking up and fighting against these restrictions. We can moan all we want but it means little if the ruling classes are meekly compliant.

We need opposition, and people with influence actually speaking up. If that is a snake politician doing it for his own ends I don't really care, just as long as somebody does it.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494464#Comment_118494464

There is often a difference between what Donnelly says and what the government do. He's in crowd pleasing mode now so it's wait and see time but they do unquestionably want to reverse the more recent changes ASAP.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494464#Comment_118494464

How does it make sense?

Omicron has rendered them redundant.

Certs or no certs has not prevented transmission one iota over the last month.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494244#Comment_118494244

I could never see the logic as to why any government would be expected to do that.

To me it is the equivalent of drawing a line on the map from Malin Head to Mizen Head and announcing that is the route a new motorway will follow without even consulting an engineer first.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494402#Comment_118494402

Sounds more like he wants to remove restrictions for vaccinated.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494402#Comment_118494402

lol, are they still running with the idea that all our restrictions are because of ~8% of adults unvaccinated?

Sounds like they will keep the certs or god forbid, restrict the unvaccinated even more whilst opening up for the rest. No sense there anyways if Donnelly is coming out with statements like that

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494533#Comment_118494533

If so he's being slightly dishonest then.

Being able to go about your business without justifying and identifying yourself everywhere is a civil liberties issue, even if many people pretend to have forgotten it or now claim it doesn't matter.

There were debates about the requirements around national ID cards only a few years ago.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494533#Comment_118494533

They are still a restriction no matter what anyone wants to pretend otherwise.

Having to show identification to sit inside and get a coffee is still a restriction.

If these abhorrent things are kept as this thing winds down, then everyone should be worried. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

growleaves

In other words, the certs affects vaccinated people too.

I'm not an employee of Ireland Inc. so I don't want to carry a digital keycard everywhere with me to access spaces.

PTH2009

Nice positive vibes in the media atm but still nothing actually confirmed because our NPHET overloads still have to meet

It will take a while to get over the physiological damage these lockdowns have caused and the media played a huge part in that with the constant doom and gloom and negativity. Will they let go of the contest threat of restrictions returning ?

bokale

Oh that's fair enough. Don't want to get in some row about certs.

I was just saying I wasn't seeing what bloopy saw in his comments.

TracyMartell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494495#Comment_118494495

If they want to reverse recent changes, they can. They can do it now if they want to. They’re the ones who brought them in so quickly in the first place.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494716#Comment_118494716

To be fair, you are correct.

It can be interpreted either way. Maybe it would be better to find the interview and statement in full to get context on the remarks.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494610#Comment_118494610

To increase use of the certs would not make any sense and would only demonstrate even further that they are nothing to do with health. Only as a punishment for non compliance.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494861#Comment_118494861

Oh I agree - it was always about coercion not protection.

It was clear even back last October that vaccinated people were a potential vector for virus spread, and not including a negative PCR or antigen test in the certs just reinforces that idea that it has nothing to do with stopping the spread.

Richard Hillman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494861#Comment_118494861

It was always about coercion to get vaccinated. They seemed to have dropped the whole thing of "protecting others". Paul Reid was on twitter earlier about the booster and was specifically saying to alleviate the symptoms.

The game is up on them. Now it's just vindictiveness. Or orders from outside of the country.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494924#Comment_118494924

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494954#Comment_118494954

It's been the same for months that it reduces the pressure on the health system, countries with lower vax rates have an even higher proportion unvaccinated in hospital, in Ireland, we just don't have the capacity for it to go out of control and have been lucky that we had such a high vax rate.

Rewriting the narrative now for Omicron (where there is far more incidental admissions) is wrong.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494994#Comment_118494994

How do "vaccine passports" reduce the pressure on the health system?

deholleboom

,the comment of ''just the certs'' can be either seen as 'the other restrictions gone and 'just' this one remaining' or as something that is not a big thing to be kept in place as most people will be alright with that because it doesnt affect them (much).

Will the anti cert thing fly now that politicians are talking about it or will it be the EU policy that dictates matters? In fairness, the DCC came into being to streamline travelling in Europe with tests coupled for those unvaccinated as there were issues of discrimination. Several countries have now made vaccines mandatory for their population. Will this become mandatory to travel EU wide? Suppose an unvaccinated person is able to travel to France and wont be able to travel by bus or rail then trying to hire a car only to find out that the government has made the cert mandatory for companies in order to operate. Discrimination by stealth.

I am positive that the issue is at least raised in Ireland.

It's almost certain that, this coming Thursday, there'll be leaks from NPHET about how they are:

1. "...concerned about the trajectory of The Disease"
2. "...worried about the impact that widespread community transmission of The Disease is having on hospitalisations and deaths"
3. "...modelling suggests that we may have 2,000 hospitalisations in late February if restaurants and bars open for 2-more hours a day"

Me?

It's now a common cold; so GTFO and let the country open the **** up.

niallo27

There is a massive change in people on here in the last week, people are really sick of this. Even conservative people i work with are the same, why would I bother with an antigen test if nothing is wrong with me is the feeling. I hope the feeling on here is the general feeling in the real world.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495013#Comment_118495013

-> less unvaccinated in risky environments with lots of social interaction for catching COVID

-> less infections for the unvaccinated

-> less unvaccinated being hospitalised (unvaccinated much more likely to be hospitalised)

-> still have access to some risky environments (e.g. public transport) but opportunity for infection is less than it would be

But, this was explained to you before, the fact that you are still asking indicates either belligerence or inability to understand reduction of opportunity for events to happen. That's the science, come back with facts and data to indicate otherwise.

Simple proof would be higher % unvaxxed hospitalised in countries with a lower vaccinated/recovered % (there is much more evidence backing this up via numerous studies which you will need to challenge effectively rather than relying on anecdotes).

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495013#Comment_118495013

Oh, just think about it a tad longer. Passports will keep pesky unvaxxed out so they wont be able to spread the infection to other areas where the healthy vaxxed hang out. That way we will protect the good people against the bad people...what do you say? Omicron facts? Well, yeah, maybe it matters not now but for the future, with other variants. You never know so best keep the controls in place in case something really bad happens and we will have the tools to control people, i mean, protect people. Sorry..🤭

niallo27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495096#Comment_118495096

The counter argument could be would we not be better off having the unvaccinated in controlled environments rather than socializing at house parties or other gatherings which could be more risky for them.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495117#Comment_118495117

With Omicron, they'll probably be unnecessary, Timmy and Richard are now trying to revise everything such that they were unnecessary all the time which wasn't the case with Delta because that's what they have claimed all the way through and can't reverse course anymore.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495136#Comment_118495136

The number of house parties occurring will be orders of magnitudes less than those who would have been at pubs and restaurants, those at house parties would also be more likely know each other and socialise with each other more often anyway.

The goal is not elimination, it's about reduction, reduce the opportunities for things to happen and they happen less often.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495061#Comment_118495061

Nah, they know that playing that card will just lose them the room even more, nobody is actually concerned about the virus any more.

The narrative is likely to be "just a few more weeks, almost there, hold firm, we shouldn't stumble at the last step, here are a few crumbs and there will be better days ahead, we promise". That will allow them to drip feed and stretch it out for a few months.