Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Not directly related to Trump but certainly is an interesting story about one of his supporters.

Remember all the claims about Biden being compromised because of Hunter connections in Russia?

This is a sitting Republican representative who went to Russia, supposedly met someone and fell in love and got married within 8 months.

(Could well be another example of the conservative hypocrisy around accusing others of that which you are guilty)

Reference the viability of Trump's chance to have an effect on the next election, the outcome of his planned media event at Mar-Al-Lago on the 6th [the 1st anniversary of the insurrection bid by his supporters on various fronts] should be telling when what he says is given a rigorous post-mortem for truth and fact, if in fact it does go ahead and not cancelled on or before the date.

Until he renounces the lies of his claims to still be president and throws in the towel publicly on his and others efforts to promote his viability for another term, I'll decline to accept that we must take it for granted he will not run for it again. IMO, it's simply not safe to do so given the public claims from persons still high in US national affairs that they see him, and not Biden, as their legitimate president.

If he does throw in the towel, it must not be accepted as a quid-pro-quo for his not being prosecuted on charges of instigating the 2021 insurrection bid by his deluded followers and leave them to be the sole bearers of responsibility of his efforts to overthrown the established US Republic.

Not sure id even see it as a concession to sense, in that it’s still self serving after all - he sees himself as the chief reason there are vaccinations, thanks to his project Warp Speed (which was a good program in fairness), and has always wanted to soak up as much credit for that as possible.

The problem on the avid Trump supporters side is that it’s a bit too much doublethink to process… there’s no covid, it’s just a cold, it’s a trick, masks are an affront to freedom, Trumps vaccines to lower the virus risk are great. In fairness, it’s a particularly hard circle to square.

I'm not sure many American voters care all that much about a documentary on RTE, they're more concerned with domestic terrorists having another go at it.

Got you. I expect the mid terms will only make things worse, regardless of the result. Maybe a large terrorist incident is on the cards. But the 6th is almost over in the USA and all is calm.

Do you think that the insurrection was a stand alone incident, without any contributory factors and not been driven by any particular narrative?

Because that is what you are implying. That ist failed, therefore the people are losers, and it can be filed away as just one of those things.

Have you read Peril? Do you know the legal advice memo that they attempted to use on Mike Pence to get him to throw out the votes?

Have you really not joined the dots that the insurrection wasn't actually part of the plan? It was meant to be a show of strength, a way to pressurise any swaying GOP senator, like Pence, so row in behind Trump. But it clearly got out of hand. They got further, and some of them were far more violent, than they had planned for. And they also thought BLM or others would turn up in counter protest which would muddy the waters more.

It is obvious is you spend any time actually researching the events before, during and after the 6th what actually happened and how close the US really did come to their democracy being destoyed.

Also, you seem to be equating hyperbole to an insurrection. In your mind are both of them (if we play along with you that hyperbole is real) are similar? That you place the violence and insurrection in the same league as a few over excited commentators getting a bit carried away (again, I am, for the sake of argument, allowing that hyperbole is real in this case)

The people who went their have been have been arrested and plenty are going to end up in jail which we can all agree is correct.

It was obviously very bad what happened and yes Trump, and those who organised it and the rubes who were larping that day deserve punishment, but the hyperbole has been a little over the top.

Their is a reason bar outside the MSNBC echo chambers that this won't resonate with many is because the world and most certainly democracy did not end that day.

People have moved on for better or worse.

If you could point to one 'attempted murderer' in the myriad of footage available I would eat my own hat.

I've never seen a more overblown and over-exaggerated event in my life. There have been Black Friday sales more deadly than the Jan 6th 'Insurrection!'

Black Friday sales event? Lol.

I'm not sure the people saying 'it#s an attack on "our" democracy' are Irish.

For sure, nobody smashed the windows of any of our government buildings or beat any of the Gardai outside to death. I just can't see something like that happening here right now. But the US political climate does have knock-on effects on the rest of the world. Trump losing the election would have been felt by the Tories in the UK, for instance.

Exactly, Trumps victory enabled Johnson, Bolsanaro, Orban to name just a few and he being in power was used by Russia, North Korea, Israel to drive their own initiatives.

Any observer of current affairs can see the influence the US still has on geopolitics whether that be for good or negative means.

No insults please.

That Ted Cruz interview on tucker Carlson was just pathetic. People talk about the democrats getting stuck in purity tests, but it’s happening in the GOP also. If one doesn’t stick to the narrative they are called out on Fox News. Ted Cruz was right to say what he said about January 6th most recently, as he was the other over a dozen times he’s said it in the past year.