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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,618 ✭✭✭ xieann


    ^^^^^ If some find the a bit TLDR then

    ..just read the last paragraph!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Manic Moran


    It's also completely incorrect. Look at this line "Trump had been vaccinated but wanted Biden to praise him for getting vaccinated before electing to urge their fellow citizens to take the Covid-19 vaccinations themselves."

    He's been recommending people get the vaccine for pretty much since the time it came out. He went to the conservative conference in Feb and told that bunch to get the shot.

    He did it again in March.

    And April, and July, and August, and September...

    Like many Republicans, he is averse to vaccine mandates, and his position on masks may be questionable, but it is certainly not correct to say that he has not been a promoter of people choosing to get the vaccine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭ Detritus70


    A rare concession to sense. I wonder how many voters that has cost him.

    Of course they will simply add it to the rest of the cognitive dissonance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,936 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious


    The word "electing" was mine, and not in Mr Adams line, just my understanding of what Mr Adams meant when he said what he said. I noted Mr Adams line on the psychology of Trump in reference to getting Trump to do and/or say something he probably wouldn't have felt inclined to do, in this case in the present political atmosphere where he doesn't seem inclined to make any statements which could be read as reaching-out or validating Biden's presence in the White House. Choosing could have been an alternative word for me to use instead of electing. The reach-out being made by Biden to Trump made all the difference, as far as Mr Adams professional opinion is concerned. Maybe Mr Adams wasn't aware of the other moments where Trump advised the general US populace to take the vaccine to protect itself from the effects of Covid-19. Thank's for your input, I missed you from the ongoing debate as a US resident giving us an update from home soil, alongside the other US residents in this debate.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Manic Moran


    Sorry you miss me, but Trump is no longer President, so I don't see much merit to hanging out in this thread very much. You'll see me on the other current events threads...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,474 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2


    Yeah most Republicans in power are pro vaccine most notably Trump. I think because he thankfully is off social media people don't follow what he says these days which is understandable but nonetheless he has been pro vaccine since day 1 and is likely to use the vaccine rollout as one his main achievements when he runs in 2024.


    De Santis, Abbot etc all pretty pro vaccine also, the only GOP types who aren't the headbangers in the house MTG and Boebert etc,,,and while they make a lot of noise online they don't matter that much to the GOP overall.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,462 ✭✭✭✭ Tell me how


    Not directly related to Trump but certainly is an interesting story about one of his supporters.

    Remember all the claims about Biden being compromised because of Hunter connections in Russia?

    This is a sitting Republican representative who went to Russia, supposedly met someone and fell in love and got married within 8 months.

    (Could well be another example of the conservative hypocrisy around accusing others of that which you are guilty)



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,936 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious


    Reference the viability of Trump's chance to have an effect on the next election, the outcome of his planned media event at Mar-Al-Lago on the 6th [the 1st anniversary of the insurrection bid by his supporters on various fronts] should be telling when what he says is given a rigorous post-mortem for truth and fact, if in fact it does go ahead and not cancelled on or before the date.

    Until he renounces the lies of his claims to still be president and throws in the towel publicly on his and others efforts to promote his viability for another term, I'll decline to accept that we must take it for granted he will not run for it again. IMO, it's simply not safe to do so given the public claims from persons still high in US national affairs that they see him, and not Biden, as their legitimate president.

    If he does throw in the towel, it must not be accepted as a quid-pro-quo for his not being prosecuted on charges of instigating the 2021 insurrection bid by his deluded followers and leave them to be the sole bearers of responsibility of his efforts to overthrown the established US Republic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,936 ✭✭✭✭ aloyisious


    Trump has cancelled the Mar-A-Lago media event he had planned for the Capitol insurrection bid 1st anniversary, blaming the news media and the House Committee investigation for the cancellation. Two new lawsuits have been started against him by former Capitol Police officers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,276 ✭✭✭✭ ~Rebel~


    Not sure id even see it as a concession to sense, in that it’s still self serving after all - he sees himself as the chief reason there are vaccinations, thanks to his project Warp Speed (which was a good program in fairness), and has always wanted to soak up as much credit for that as possible.

    The problem on the avid Trump supporters side is that it’s a bit too much doublethink to process… there’s no covid, it’s just a cold, it’s a trick, masks are an affront to freedom, Trumps vaccines to lower the virus risk are great. In fairness, it’s a particularly hard circle to square.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ Markus Antonius


    I watched a Jan 6th INsurrection! documentary on RTE last night. On 4 seperate occasions claims were made that the event was analogous to 911...

    And people wonder why some say the democrats will have a miserable mid term this year...



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭ kowloon


    I'm not sure many American voters care all that much about a documentary on RTE, they're more concerned with domestic terrorists having another go at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ Markus Antonius


    It was an American documentary. RTE were just showing it late last night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭ kowloon


    Got you. I expect the mid terms will only make things worse, regardless of the result. Maybe a large terrorist incident is on the cards. But the 6th is almost over in the USA and all is calm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,474 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2


    It was a terrible thing that happened, but the hyperbole since has been absurd.

    I seen some people saying "democracy nearly died that day" ,,,their was approximately 0.000000000000000000001% chance of those **** losers who stormed the capital achieving their goals.

    I don't think it matters much to anyone outside the bubble on both sides, whether that is a good or bad thing is a debate for another day but it is what it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭ Leroy42


    Do you think that the insurrection was a stand alone incident, without any contributory factors and not been driven by any particular narrative?

    Because that is what you are implying. That ist failed, therefore the people are losers, and it can be filed away as just one of those things.

    Have you read Peril? Do you know the legal advice memo that they attempted to use on Mike Pence to get him to throw out the votes?

    Have you really not joined the dots that the insurrection wasn't actually part of the plan? It was meant to be a show of strength, a way to pressurise any swaying GOP senator, like Pence, so row in behind Trump. But it clearly got out of hand. They got further, and some of them were far more violent, than they had planned for. And they also thought BLM or others would turn up in counter protest which would muddy the waters more.

    It is obvious is you spend any time actually researching the events before, during and after the 6th what actually happened and how close the US really did come to their democracy being destoyed.

    Also, you seem to be equating hyperbole to an insurrection. In your mind are both of them (if we play along with you that hyperbole is real) are similar? That you place the violence and insurrection in the same league as a few over excited commentators getting a bit carried away (again, I am, for the sake of argument, allowing that hyperbole is real in this case)



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭ duploelabs


    Do you think attempted murderes should be let off thier charges because they were unsuscessful in their mission?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,474 ✭✭✭✭ Rjd2


    The people who went their have been have been arrested and plenty are going to end up in jail which we can all agree is correct.

    It was obviously very bad what happened and yes Trump, and those who organised it and the rubes who were larping that day deserve punishment, but the hyperbole has been a little over the top.

    Their is a reason bar outside the MSNBC echo chambers that this won't resonate with many is because the world and most certainly democracy did not end that day.

    People have moved on for better or worse.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ Markus Antonius


    If you could point to one 'attempted murderer' in the myriad of footage available I would eat my own hat.

    I've never seen a more overblown and over-exaggerated event in my life. There have been Black Friday sales more deadly than the Jan 6th 'Insurrection!'



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭ duploelabs


    You completely missed the nuance of my analogy



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    Irish people getting upset at an attack on our democracy that day lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭ kowloon


    I'm not sure the people saying 'it#s an attack on "our" democracy' are Irish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    maybe your right but I don’t buy into this was an attack on democracy worldwide.

    it happened in the US carried out by Americans



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭ kowloon


    For sure, nobody smashed the windows of any of our government buildings or beat any of the Gardai outside to death. I just can't see something like that happening here right now. But the US political climate does have knock-on effects on the rest of the world. Trump losing the election would have been felt by the Tories in the UK, for instance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭ Brussels Sprout


    I trust that all of the people playing down what happened on Jan 6th would feel the same way if some unholy mixture of AntiFa and BLM supporters had stormed the Capitol in an attempt to prevent Donald Trump's election from being certified in January 2017.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭ looksee


    Is that supposed to be a 'Gotcha'? It doesn't matter who stormed the Capitol or any other national parliament, that is not the way to dispute an election. You are, of course, completely missing the point that Antifa and BLM did not storm the Capitol in 2017, nor anyone else, no matter how horrified they were at the idea of Trump as president.



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