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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,525 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3


    Given how badly they’re doing in the polls, ASAP I’d say!! 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭ MyLove4Satan


    I had no idea - the news seemed so bleak a few weeks back. I must say I am surprised and pleased if this pans out.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    If I had to guess, I'd say January. Maybe BusConnects before Christmas. I could be wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Heartbreak Hank


    What are they meeting with an Italian construction firm for? To assess proposed methodologies?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    RINA were appointed as Independent Engineering Experts some time back.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox


    As Marno said, RINA are the independent experts. They're needed on a project like this, because people can't be required to have an in-depth engineering knowledge to participate in the planning process. They'll be able to help people form an opinion on it, frame any objections or recommendations, explain anything that might not be obvious, etc.


    GADRA, for example, are objecting to the ventilation shaft in their park, and are looking to get it turned into a station.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,525 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3


    Quick question, folks, can anyone tell me where exactly the entrances/exits are for the station at Griffith Park?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox


    As of the preferred route consultation, it's got one entrance, which is on the road into the Whitehall College.

    So, right around here:




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭ plodder


    A useful companion to that would be one showing the year that each country built their last metro. Which would show that many are still building more of them. It would help to counter the impression that we missed the boat and costs are just too high now to get started.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,145 ✭✭✭ Pete_Cavan


    I don't see how "costs are just too high now". The actual number may be much higher now but in relative terms, were they inflated to today, the costs of those projectsat the time are probably not much different to now. In many of those countries, labour costs are low but the state resources would be low too so they were probably similar undertakings for those countries at the time to what Metrolink would be for us now.

    I'd say the cost of Metrolink including operation over say 50 years will actually be lower (in relative terms) than many of those projects. Metrolink will be packed with latest technology and will be driverless. The benefits of Metrolink will almost certainly be relatively much higher too given the functioning of modern economies, bigger population, etc.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox


    Some mildly interesting stuff from Gadra's chat with RINA available on their website. Nothing that someone following the project wouldn't have known or suspected already, but it is interesting to see it coming from an independent engineering perspective.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭ zom


    "I don't see how "costs are just too high now".(....)I'd say the cost of Metrolink including operation over say 50 years will actually be lower (in relative terms) than many of those projects. Metrolink will be packed with latest technology and will be driverless."

    I love this logic. Build driveless train so instead of drivers we can pay millions to con-sultans ;)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    It is a long time since I have seen a lift (elevator) being operated by a human.

    Automation is coming to where it is not already here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 525 ✭✭✭ Busman Paddy Lasty


    GADRA's questions are a fair bit more reasonable than the propaganda posters they have put up. Prior knowledge of MN shafts, active/passive ventilation yet the sign in the park states the shaft is 'useless' and urge people to demand a station in the park.

    Don't know what I'm missing a shaft will have far less impact on a park than a station surely?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatInABox


    Yes, some of the questions are from people that have clearly been researching it and learning about it, and then there's people that are asking questions that have been ruled out since they switched to a single bore. The pros and cons of having a large group of people interested in it, I guess.

    I think that they're resigned to having a shaft there, and would prefer it to be station so at least there's some benefit to them. There's actually a surprising undercurrent of resentment at Na Fianna in the questions, some clearly feel that they're getting "shafted" because Na Fianna ruled out a station under their land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭ bennyineire


    I was in Lille a few years back, fully automated system. Work perfectly fine



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,525 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3


    Just been reading that.

    Thank you for your contribution, Mr Ambassador.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,549 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990


    It all hinges really as to what the Government will do with the business case for the project. If they approve it for people who live in Swords; it would be a big step forward to get to that RO stage.

    But I don't know what the naysayers will say about it if the business case was approved by the Government. All of these economists who are against the project are really not that experienced in going into the underground areas of the city in seeing the extent of it's design and day to day functions of how it works for it's inhabitants.

    Most people living here in the capital who are either not involved or qualified with the complexities of how their own home patch works day to day when underground don't have that luxury to complain about it either.

    They could probably show an interest in how it works. But complaining about it with no realistic argument coming into support it must feel a painfully hard slog on your senses to experience every single day.

    If the Government gives the project merit to let it go ahead to planning for the RO with ABP. That would be pretty good news for the city. Although I do understand that it won't be an easy job to get it done if the RO gets approval.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    Agree, tbms in the ground before I believe this country is actually capable of building a metro. Jury's still out.

    But Metro North was a daft design, more like a rough draft than a serious proposal.

    What it did was expose the level of cluelessness in the Irish govt about building underground rail.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    No, it was a fully functional design with planning permission (excepting some required changes on the overground section north of Swords)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    I said it was a daft design, not thought through properly at all.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    You also said it was a draft which it clearly wasn't.

    I'd rather have it operational and be looking at improvements and expansions than where we are now



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    No I said it was like a draft, because it was so bad.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,840 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    There was very little wrong with it. Compared to having absolutely nothing, I'll take your idea of bad (that few will agree with) thanks



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