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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭ D.L.R.


    There was a lot wrong with it, was never going to get built even without the crash.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,960 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    It's been postponed. I wish they'd stop lying, they're not fooling anyone.

    Make our National Maternity Hospital Public and Secular

    #MakeNMHOurs

    Annoy your TDs now!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,922 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    "The more people keep saying it's been postponed, the easier it becomes to postpone it".

    What else can people think? Project was announced 4 years ago (this version of it) and not even a planning application has been made. Human lifespans are limited and all. And there's been multiple versions of this project for the last 50 years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl


    It is facing some delays, it has not been postponed. They are very different things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22 jumpinsheep



    Thanks for those screenshots; it seems they were probably made end of July 2021 (I guess that's what the blu vertical line there indicates).

    In Nov 2021, newspapers articles started mentioning a possible 10 yrs delay, then the Taoiseach told the Dáil that MetroLink "has not been postponed for another decade", then NTA's CEO Anne Graham comments, etc. etc. - who knows how much the timeline has changed, from when those screenshots were taken...

    Now that covid19 restrictions are being lifted, all the relevant parties will hopefully move swiftly with whatever needs to be done.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    Not sure if I/anyone else posted this here yet. There was an article in the Sunday Times in October saying that Level 5 restrictions had interrupted work at the Land Registry and this had caused lengthy delays in getting ready documents for the proposed CPO.

    I've heard of other people having similar issues with Departments being shut from January 2021 for several months so this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,960 ✭✭✭✭ Hotblack Desiato


    I'll start to believe it when there's a TBM in the ground.

    Make our National Maternity Hospital Public and Secular

    #MakeNMHOurs

    Annoy your TDs now!!!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    According to Peter Walsh, 13.5 years from now is a best case scenario.

    2 years at An Bord Pleanala, 2.5 years of procurement and 8-9 years of construction.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40799475.html



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,152 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    That.. doesn't make any sense. They've been talking about parallel procurement for years now. A bizarre statement from the CEO.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    I don't understand that frustration either, like the TII CEO. This is a multibillion euro project. There is absolutely no reason for frustration that MetroLink hasn't been built after €88m spent. It's a tiny proportion of the overall budget.

    The 2021 construction start date and the 2027 completion date should have been revised years ago. They are wildly inaccurate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl


    I mean, its a terribly phrased question though the response leaves something to be desired. The expenditure so far doesn't strike me as particularly out of the ordinary for a planning process of this scale. The focus should have been on the timeline slippage.

    Peter Walsh, the chief executive of the agency that has primary responsibility for the project, told the Public Accounts Committee that the best-case scenario would see the project take 13.5 years until completion from the current date.

    That allows two years for a railway order to be processed by An Bord Pleanala, 2.5 years for a procurement process for a contractor — which is likely to be a Public-Private Partnership — and between eight and nine years for construction and commissioning.

    I would like to see his actual wording on this as it wouldn't be the first time the media got things confused. The 2 years for railway order and 2.5 years for procurement are not necessarily consecutive.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    After a century plus of plans and two aborted attempts, though



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3


    And at the rate we’re “progressing”....



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭ tom1ie


    Why does it take 2 years at An Bord Pleanala?

    Is it a lack of resources their or does that include public consultations or something?

    I take it procurement can’t start until permission is granted by an Bord pleanala?

    If so what happens to the staff of the NTA working on metro link, do they get transferred to bus connects or something?

    Most importantly when are the NTA ready to go to an Bord pleanala?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭ tom1ie




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    2 years at ABP because they are under resourced and as a result can’t meet deadlines. The M6 Galway ring road took 3 years for a decision and the Adare bypass is there over 2 years now. It should be said that 2 years isn’t a guarantee but it’s a reasonable estimate at the minute.

    Procurement can start anytime but TII/DoT may want to wait because of a) the possibility of conditions imposed on the project by ABP which may change the design and the associated price or b) the possibility of the procurement costs being wasted in the event of the project not getting planning or any event which may put the project at risk. TII seem to be leaning towards the PPP approach here

    It’s TII staff working on MetroLink rather than NTA staff, I’d imagine they’d be moved to other light rail projects (Luas Lucan/Bray/Poolbeg come to mind)

    TII’s current timeline is Government approval in Q1 2022 and ABP submission in Q2 2022.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,922 ✭✭✭ cgcsb


    Looks like a padding exercise. I get the impression that TII don't want this job, they want motorways



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990


    Is there some lead time placed inside the current planning regulations legislation so that big infrastructure projects like Metrolink has delays set in stone into it on purpose.

    Let's say if the various parts of DART+ or the CBC's with BC Dublin were facing the same issues within those two agencies. Would they be a big chance in attempting to make slow progress in getting them built.

    I think this might be the big issue citing the lack of resources within ABP to process or to fast-track Metrolink quickly; it would need to be sorted out soon. This could allow other projects that were previously approved by them were given the go ahead to get them built.

    I would suspect if that is the big issue that needs to be sorted out within ABP are having a massive knock on effect to other projects that have entered the planning system already or have yet to enter it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭ Goldengirl


    There were fewer objections I would imagine from the neighbours 😉

    Mind you, we haven't even got to that stage yet.

    We have form in Dublin though.

    I originally worked in Paeds nursing and would have been looking forward to working in The New Cbildrens' Hospital when I started my career in Ireland.

    Roll on 40 years nearer to retirement, and still no new hospital built!

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