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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The journal has a poll this morning where the majority think the schools should close early.


    Shows the country is much different to this thread.


    Its like an addiction to restrictions and been told what they can and can't do.


    Depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It is not really that surprising. People have been going this way for a while. Some folks just don't want to have the hassle of making decisions for themselves and are happy to turn that over to someone else to do it for them.

    Just look at how anyone who goes against the flow or questions decisions are labeled and ridiculed. You see it on here where anyone that questions the decisions that have been made are labeled all sort for conspiracy theorists nuts, anti vaxxers and there was another label yesterday but can't remember that. Also look at how some people want to not treat anyone who is unvaccinated. Some folks need to take a reality check.



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    They are used as a coercein tool to get people to take the jab. The leak even admitted this a couple of days ago - "he said at the very least they have encouraged more people to get vaccinated" i.e. block people from partaking in parts of society until they get the jab.

    It has nothing to do with anyone's health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    What is to stop someone using another persons covid cert? What shows up when the pass is scanned? Can someone not just flash a screenshot of someone else's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    "They are used as coercein [sic] tool to get people to take the jab."

    "This has nothing to do with anyone's health."

    Surely if it encourages more people to take the jab, then it has everything to do with people's health?

    Post edited by Penfailed on

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  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    Why do they go with threats, etc???

    I can't get that mentality. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar


    Treat people like adults & they will act like adults or am I too naive altogether



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Why do you think they want people to get vaccinated other than for public health reasons?



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    I don't get that mentality either.

    Why do they keep extending the emergency legislation?

    Once governments get a taste of power usually they are not willing to give those powers up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭mikekerry




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Sorry if this is public knowledge but I couldn’t find it.

    Has there been any suggestion here that covid certs will be invalidated after a certain time has lapsed since vaccination in the same way it does after recovery following infection?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Your name comes up when scanned. They are supposed to check your ID. However more places will let you show a bank card with your name on it.

    Lads got turned away from Eddie Rockets even though they all had passes but a couple had no ID on them.

    Stupid tbh. Thankfully money talks and a table of 4 lads is close to a hundred euro. Do that multiple times and your bottom line is getting hit.

    Thankfully my local pub couldn't give a ****.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Happy Human Rights Day!

    How apt from Martin Luther King Jr.

    ''“A right delayed is a right denied.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.''

    These restrictions, however temporary or no matter how you view them, (as necessary or not).. are still a restriction on our daily lives.. a restriction on our personal growth and development, a restriction on our culture and on our rights.. and this is the issue that alot of peeople are against, with passes, restrictions and mandatory vacccine's ...

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Fear is crucial for state authority. When the population is filled with it, they will acquiesce to virtually any power the government seeks to acquire in the name of keeping them safe. But when fear is lacking, citizens will crave liberty more than control, and that is when they question official claims and actions. When that starts to happen, when the public feels too secure, institutions of authority will reflexively find new ways to ensure they stay engulfed by fear and thus quiescent.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The ‘sunk cost fallacy’ is a well known one. World War 1 is the classic example. By Christmas 1914 it was obvious to all that the war was a catastrophe, but to admit this was to admit that all the lives lost had been lost pointlessly. And no country would confess that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale



    Yeah defo could, but they are supposed to check IDs. I've feel I've had my ID checked more lately, wonder was something said to premises.

    Thankfully my local pub checks the passes, as I don't think I'd like to eat and drink somewhere that chose what public health regulations they would follow :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Are you worried about the 6 in 100 chance that you might be in the company of an unvaccinated person?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    No. Worried what other rules they're not following in the kitchen haha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Nicola Sturgeon says the Scottish Government expects Omicron to overtake Delta as the dominant variant in Scotland by as early as next week.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    It's being discussed by the EU but hasn't happened yet. Current indications are that certs could/will expire 9 months after your last jab



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    We're not going to get much beyond 92%, they're used now because we have 50% of hospitalisations and ICU coming from the unvaccinated, when that number is 8% they can be dropped.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    50% of ICU patients are in for covid and also unvaccinated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    50% of COVID patients are unvaccinated (on average) from 8% of the adult eligible population for vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    That is true. But you are applying one kind of pressure with your constant stream of insults against the unvaccinated and the certs are exerting a different kind of pressure. So that is why posters are confusing you for a supporter of certs, which you're not.

    Why not live and let live, or get angry at S Donnelly for missing the Dept of Health's end of year ICU expansion target by a huge gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    TheJournal.ie does not represent the country any more than Boards does imo. They ban a lot of commenters and a single person can easily vote 5 or 6 times if they use different email addresses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I just checked a poll there and you don't need to enter email to vote? How do they ban people from voting?



  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Exactly this. There's as many head cases on the Journal as there is here, more even. It's not an accurate gauge of public opinion when opinions that don't fit a certain narrative can be banned or removed, much like here tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You do realise that people who are not allowed access pubs and nightclubs are just getting cans and having house parties, where no regulations exist and it is far more likely for covid to spread.

    The passes do absolutely nothing and if anything they probably cause more cases by stopping people socialising where they have to follow regulations.

    You know the pass is mainly to try get people to take the vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not 100%. Its aim is to prevent the unvaccinated mixing with the vaccinated in social settings, getting them vaccinated is a bonus. It is the case though in other countries with far lower levels of vaccination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Would depend on the age groups. People tend to stop going to house parties as they get older.

    Although I'd love to be a fly on the wall at some of these house parties for the discussions alone haha



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Anywhere I can get a jab at short notice ?

    I'm thinking of venturing out but dunno is it safe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    no more and more people in their 30s are going to house parties that would never dream of going to them if late bars and nightclubs were open.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hospitalisations and ICU continue to either reduce or stabilise.

    All predictions made by NPHET in October have been proven false - again. We are performing better than their best case scenario since we reopened on 23 October.

    More restrictions have been introduced because of "speculation" and not "science-based evidence" on Omicron.

    Cases are stabilising, too - not that this figure matters, because The Journal and others are offering daily figures as if the country was in the pre-vaccinated era.

    And perhaps I'll receive some degree of criticism for saying this, but I've a feeling that Holohan must be absolutely devastated by all of the above; that he's no longer becoming the centre of national attention. Even Michael Martin has curbed the influence of negative NPHET by ensuring media appearances are coordinated by a department of the Taoiseach.

    If and when Martin evolves a spine, perhaps these stupid restrictions will be removed - not because NPHET recommend it, because I couldn't give a damn what these people think, but because common sense shows that what's happening re: South Africa, shows that there is no additional risk to a highly vaccinated population.

    But Martin won't evolve a spine, and more to the shame about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Late Late show 50% capacity masked audience.

    Nathan Carter in Derry tonight, a full house and not a mask in sight.

    ........ a virus that knows what a border is!



  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    To be fair the Late Late show audience are exceptionally vulnerable individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    I don't really give a sh1t about the vaccinated vs unvaccinated as both are spreading the same. I was out tonight and I was in 3 places. Wasn't checked for my cert once. One of them, the celt on Talbot Street was jammers. Not one single bit of guidance followed. No checking of certs. Not a mask in sight anywhere. Staff or customer or otherwise. No limiting access to seating. When I left it was like an other busy night outside of covid.


    As I said, I don't have a problem with it. But must be a pain in the hole for any place that is severly limiting their punters and revenue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I'm sure they'll be delighted with you highlighting it ha



  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Given that the omicron variant spreads faster than anything before, and given that its a mild cold, might the lockdown brigade and those still recommending that children get jabbed perhaps admit they were needlessly panic stricken?

    You may post your revised answers in a week or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I have only been in a pub 3 times since they introduced the passes. One was an engagement party where we knew they were not enforcing passes. The other 2 were spur of the moment quick pints who did ask from the passes.

    TBH I have no sympathy for places that are harshly enforcing the restrictions. I'm generally avoiding pubs and restaurants that are asking for them.

    Anyone I have been talking to over the last few weeks have been saying the pubs have been empty. Especially for a December.

    I was in Dublin City centre tonight and it felt like a normal midweek.

    The non vaccinated are small part of the population. And I reckon a lot of them are not necessarily pub goers.

    It just seems like the pass, assigned seats and feeling the need to book places, just seem to be putting up an invisible barrier to people.

    The Vintners have a lot to answer for. They took MUP to keep their mouths shut. MUP will come in January and their pubs won't be earning a cent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Still waiting on data to how serious it is, boosters also seem to work well against it, but possible cause for optimism either way, not a time for declaring victory.

    People believe in the safety of vaccines, omicron won't really change that so the rollout will continue uninterrupted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm curious to see how long NI hold out. Only the other day all was rosy and they said everything was under control. Then Boris starts introducing some restrictions, Scotland also spooked.... so I expect within 72 hours NI will **** themselves and start rowing back.

    Even Boris mentioned a discussion on vaccine mandates and not a peep. Ursula mentioned that and everyone was in uproar (before you say it, neither Boris nor Ursula can change our constitution. It's just a funny comparison. Same speech, totally different reaction)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump



    Healthy kids don't need this vaccine, end off story


    Donate the vaccines to other countries who need it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    The anecdotal evidence that the 'unvaxed' dont seem to be struggling with it - seems to suggest that they might *not* have missed a trick.

    The anecdotal evidence that the triple 'vaxed' are catching it with the same level of symptoms suggests they might not be particularly 'protected'.

    The absolute evidence suggests that the 'vaxed' are the primary carriers and spreaders.

    If this were continue would you support the immediate suspension of measures like jabbing kids and special permission 'passports' for pharma consumers? May I assume that you would be happy that we appear to be at the end of the 'pandemic' ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,628 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its even questionable whether healthy adults need the vaccine or certainly whether they need boosters. By all means give boosters to vulnerable and those that want it. But pumping millions of boosters into healthy people before 3rd world countries get their population vaccinated in the first place is wrong.

    The sooner the government realise this, the sooner the vaccine pass can be done away with as it serves no benefit at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The vaccine should now be whoever wants it and drop this coercion crap with the covid pass. Restrictions should also be lifted and people be left to make their own judgements on what they will do. People also need to stop wanting to be nanny'd by the state, time for some to grow up and make those decisions for themselves. It will be interesting to see if they bring in the coercion tactics for the under 12's vaccine if the take up is low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,628 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Of course they will, but as has been said before, until there is a push back from large sections of society, restrictions will contuine to exist and be introduced.

    The fact hospitality seem to be getting more lax is a good sign. If over a course of a few weeks, every or the vast majority of people have the certs, its quickly going to become apparent that its a waste of time and their staff are better doing real work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Says a lot for our so called world class education system. I find the uncritical acceptance of it all absolutely shocking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Yes, same with card carrying self declared ‘liberals’ who with their support for all these restrictions have shown themselves to be nothing of the kind. Principle amongst them being Fintan O’ Toole. What passed as liberalism in this country was being anti catholic and the more viciously anti catholic you were, the more you were loved in ‘liberal’ circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    In the gym this morning for my kids swimming lessons and am happy to see no covid cert checks, no even signs up about the covid pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah they are only liberals as long as you fall into line and agree with everything they agree with. If you disagree then you will he labeled right or left wing, conspiracy theorist or what ever the en-vogue label is at the time. Same with all these so called 'woke' folks who butch and moan about equality and treating everyone the same but that all went out the window with the covid pass and now if you are against it you are branded.



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