Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Vaccines wane over 6 months.

Natural immunity gives longer lasting immunity.

Israeli study confirmed this. Up to 13 x more protection from natural immunity

Is that based off the reported cases every evening? How is there a big spike in November then down again even though positive swabs have never been over 4900? Backlogs in reporting affect the R number ?

As opposed to the tiny number that can't be vaccinated (that the anti-vaxxers try and blame for everything).

This is very sad to see. The way some people have turned on others just because those people have made a decision personal to them that others may not agree with. To see these people labeled as anti vaxxers or willfully unvaccinated or whatever other names they have been called is as I said sad and even sickening to see and to see it being cheered on by others as well. These people want to have a look at themselves in the mirror to be treating fellow human beings like this or is that they see people who are not vaccinated as somehow beneath them. They need to ask themselves why is ok to treat small minority of people who have decided not to get vaccinated when they wouldn't (or maybe they would) do it if it was anything else.

The annoying thing is, the hints about restricting travel came via "reports" from nphets meeting....so leaks from nphet then?!

I thought that sh1t was supposed to have been knocked on the head?

So either nphet are still leaking stuff to force the govts hand, or the govt are leaking stuff to soften us up and so they can blame nphet.

If MM says restrictions on non essential travel is not being considered, we can take it to mean its being announced next week :/

It's conveniently difficult to answer basic questions like that when as usual it's just an image without bothering to link back to the original source. Which I've failed miserably at finding on the OurWorldInData site it appears to be from.

But hey, why bother giving proper credit to people when you can just nick their images, post them without a single word, and consider that a valid argument

Interesting use of words..."To get vaccines into our most marginalized and vulnerable",presumably,with their informed consent ?

If that consent is'nt forthcoming from any in your chosen group,will there be Security on hand to restrain them whilst you ready the syringe ?

Good Morning Britain were discussing it as well. Clearly lots of 'kite flying' going on.

Can we change the thread title. As the restrictions have increased since yesterday its a bit of a conspiracy to say they are being relaxed..

Wasn't Simon Harris talking about it in 2019?

so current member of government has brought up the idea. It has been discussed.

discussed for Health care.

So it's not completely off the table for certain people. Once it's okay then it's easily expanded.

Just like passes were only for indoor dining. But are now for gyms. (Well some gyms)

GMB ran a Twitter poll that came up as something like 80% against mandatory vaccination with 50k respondents.

Then they deleted it. 😂

I’ve been disappointed with how many people think principles are just things you pretend to believe when it’s easy to do so.

Well that's a bit tangential, if people post here mention the unvaccinated, the loons pile on and talk endlessly about the few people who can't be vaccinated (you'll see the same people start every post about how vaccines and restrictions don't work of course).

But if you have a better name for the group who can be vaccinated but chose not to, then suggest the label (other than the star child "we're all people" response).

A good start would be to just call them unvaccinated. It's simple and straight to the point without needlessly labelling it in a derogatory manner. Personally, I don't care if someone is vaccinated or not because, to be quite frank, it's none of my business. I got the vaccine for my own reasons, which is a personal decision but I'm not going to lecture someone for not taking it. That's on them to live with.

We are now at the stage where the deficiencies of the health system have been completely laid bare for all to see. Some think we need to vaccinate children to keep protecting it or that going after the remaining 6/7% is worth it. I personally don't think it’s going to make much difference to the abundance of caution approach by the NPHET/ HSE. our biggest problem right now is that we need to increase ICU capacity to that of a semi functioning health care system and try get on a par with the EU average. Can this be done overnight? Of course not. But I don't for one second agree that this government should be using emergency legislation to curb our rights while at the same time demonising a section of society for doing something that is completely within their rights to do, ie not take a vaccine.

The vaccines work, this thing is done. What we currently have is a political game of cover your arse to distract from the massive failings of the HSE and successive governments.