Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

There is a CT thread on that exact topic that you can bring your evidence if you're confident in it. As said, your rants now have a basis that you won't elaborate on to prove.

The passes won't be permanent within countries, they might last a lot longer for international travel (which you seem to support anyway). However, it could be 6 months or 3 years before the pandemic is over, so they will be "permanent" till then.

Also not worried about EU overlords dictating anything, that's very tin-foil hat-ish.

I don't support them for travel.

I said they are tolerable given that there is an option to not inject myself with something and that natural immunity (for only 6 months) is acceptable. I still think they are not needed and don't prove anything. TBH test everyone makes more logical sense. Passes from vaccines don't as you could be sick and travel.

The EU gets bigger every year, they are the ruling class and many unelected. Are they overlords? No, something much worse, Bureaucrats!

The passes aren't effective now, which means they will be here much longer than 3 years.

If after 3 years they are still here you will just accept them.

I honestly don't think there is a point at which you would consider anything that would make you question any of this.

How do you think we end up with dictators and undemocratic societies? Its almost as if you think we will never repeat the mistakes from our past.

Power corrupts. Look at Stephen Donnelly..

Think this stuff should be kept to CT thread

It is scientific, the goal is to reduce R, not go after the individual measures that decrease R the most (otherwise public transport would be closed), it's a group of measures to keep R down, the measures are arbitrary e.g. 60 year old vaccinated can do more than a willfully unvaccinated 18 year old, because it keeps the R number down and the 60 year old has followed public health measures.

If Omicron is bad or R increases a lot, then restrictions based on age could come in (we already had the cocooning advice).

That's what's happening, keep R low enough so that hospitalations don't overwhelm the system but try and keep everything as open as possible, we'll see restrictions fall away into Spring (depending on Omicron, if it has a high reinfection rate alot of people will be impacted, booster jab seems to work well on preliminary results though).

All I want for Christmas is to reduce R.

Given that naturally immunity passes expire after 6 months. Do you agree that vaccine passes should also expire given that the ability to prevent infection wanes very quickly and to a low level after the same time period with the vaccine?

Should those vaccinated 5-6months ago be banned from indoor dining in case they kill granny?

If its dropping while clubs were open. Should clubs be open now? or are these restrictions silly?

Vaccines wane over 6 months.

Natural immunity gives longer lasting immunity.

Israeli study confirmed this. Up to 13 x more protection from natural immunity

Is that based off the reported cases every evening? How is there a big spike in November then down again even though positive swabs have never been over 4900? Backlogs in reporting affect the R number ?

As opposed to the tiny number that can't be vaccinated (that the anti-vaxxers try and blame for everything).

This is very sad to see. The way some people have turned on others just because those people have made a decision personal to them that others may not agree with. To see these people labeled as anti vaxxers or willfully unvaccinated or whatever other names they have been called is as I said sad and even sickening to see and to see it being cheered on by others as well. These people want to have a look at themselves in the mirror to be treating fellow human beings like this or is that they see people who are not vaccinated as somehow beneath them. They need to ask themselves why is ok to treat small minority of people who have decided not to get vaccinated when they wouldn't (or maybe they would) do it if it was anything else.

The annoying thing is, the hints about restricting travel came via "reports" from nphets meeting....so leaks from nphet then?!

I thought that sh1t was supposed to have been knocked on the head?

So either nphet are still leaking stuff to force the govts hand, or the govt are leaking stuff to soften us up and so they can blame nphet.

If MM says restrictions on non essential travel is not being considered, we can take it to mean its being announced next week :/

It's conveniently difficult to answer basic questions like that when as usual it's just an image without bothering to link back to the original source. Which I've failed miserably at finding on the OurWorldInData site it appears to be from.

But hey, why bother giving proper credit to people when you can just nick their images, post them without a single word, and consider that a valid argument