Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Quags · 09-12-2021 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295626#Comment_118295626

😂😂😂😂 you should have got the freedom of the city not big T

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 02:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295505#Comment_118295505

The absolute irony of you saying this.

You just stop responding once our back and forth reach their logical conclusions and you are backed into a corner.

Again, remind me why YOU are okay with nurses going out to restaurants where there are 10 year old unvaccinated children yet you aren't okay with an 18 year old unvaccinated being in the same place?

Remind me why YOU as a critical front line worker who interacts with the vulnerable willing take the chance to out on weekends or trips away and then swan between front line businesses. Where is your social duty to reduce your spreading of a virus you can 100% get and spread?

Been waiting a while for your answer

astrofool · 09-12-2021 02:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118294798#Comment_118294798

Yes, you have spun out into being a conspiracy nut but at least you seem to be embracing it rather than shying away from your theories (incidentally there was a big non conspiracy covid passport thread on this forum over a year ago that predicted most of this, but better to blame the anonymous cabaal trying to steal all your stuff). UK also have COVID pass, very not EU.

Hopefully you can actually explain this coherently on the CT forum rather than calling everyone sheep and running away in a huff (which is probably what you'll do here and deflect to other ranting things).

Red Silurian · 09-12-2021 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295604#Comment_118295604

I think we need more than just boosters. The return of contact tracing in schools and free antigen tests, similar to what they have in the UK, would be much quicker to implement than boosters so Egghead Donnelly probably won't be bothered with them until our cases explode in a few weeks

titan18 · 09-12-2021 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295734#Comment_118295734

They've dropped a bit then. Brother is a supervisory pharmacist and he was trying to get locums in, and was saying even offering 80 an hour, people weren't bothered as they were getting more elsewhere.

09-12-2021 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295605#Comment_118295605

It's seems to be that you are for abolition of AL I would I would presume you would be protesting that too.

09-12-2021 03:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295845#Comment_118295845

No doubt, it's a lucrative industry at the moment.

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295829#Comment_118295829

You asked for my reasoning. Without going into detail of why I reached my conclusions (im not sure you want to see where we are going tbh).

Vaccine passes and digital ID's have been talked about since 2015 on other forums. You seem to think because you discussed it a year ago it wasn't ever conspiracy?

We currently have the government rolling over unprecedented powers with no review/oversight as was predicted would happen.

Did you think vaccine passes would be conspiracy in early 2020? Bet you did

You probably think covid cases aren't seasonally triggered either.

January 10th(ish) we will peak and then they will drop as we leave flu season...restrictions or not.

Beasty · 09-12-2021 03:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295589#Comment_118295589

Threadbanned

09-12-2021 03:06PM

Seen on RTE news that the employment wage subsidy scheme extended until end of April 2022.

Expect restrictions to not be relaxed before this date.

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295899#Comment_118295899

You have been replying to me for the last few days. You stop replying when I asked that specific question.

Why is a 10year old not a risk to the nurse in the restaurant? I will keep asking you.

You have no answer. Deflect deflect deflect

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295889#Comment_118295889

No because that's not what a conspiracy is, claiming it's because the EU want control of our lives is a conspiracy with 0 evidence that you're now trying to push (after dragging it out of you admittedly after you had multiple meandering rants, but I suspected as much). As said, you won't be able to back this up (on a separate thread) so will run away and continue making insinuations with no basis in reality, but at least everyone now knows your spiels are on the back of an unproven theory.

M_Murphy57 · 09-12-2021 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295497#Comment_118295497

But it won't get past a 3rd version of the same vaccine it can already avoid a double dose of due to its mutations ? The same variant that can also get past antibodies produced from having had the delta variant/caught covid (according to you 2 pages back)

What's the point in any of us taking boosters of vaccines not based on omicron? (Apart from the study by Pfizer who say 3 is the magic number )

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295911#Comment_118295911

The 10 year old is a risk, but of a lesser risk than an adult (or an average 11 year old), a vaccinated 10 year old is an even lesser risk.

It's not binary it's degrees of risk.

And some restrictions are arbitrary purely to try and keep R low and try not to impact people or fewer people, where possible.

M_Murphy57 · 09-12-2021 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295581#Comment_118295581

Donnelly did try imprisoning them for a bit in hotels.

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296040#Comment_118296040

There is a CT thread on that exact topic that you can bring your evidence if you're confident in it. As said, your rants now have a basis that you won't elaborate on to prove.

The passes won't be permanent within countries, they might last a lot longer for international travel (which you seem to support anyway). However, it could be 6 months or 3 years before the pandemic is over, so they will be "permanent" till then.

Also not worried about EU overlords dictating anything, that's very tin-foil hat-ish.

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295986#Comment_118295986

So you agree the measure are age discriminatory and thats okay?

Then why can't we ban vaccinated 80 year olds from indoor dining since they are at higher risk of death/hospitalisation than an unvaccinated 18 year old?

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296077#Comment_118296077

I don't support them for travel.

I said they are tolerable given that there is an option to not inject myself with something and that natural immunity (for only 6 months) is acceptable. I still think they are not needed and don't prove anything. TBH test everyone makes more logical sense. Passes from vaccines don't as you could be sick and travel.

The EU gets bigger every year, they are the ruling class and many unelected. Are they overlords? No, something much worse, Bureaucrats!

The passes aren't effective now, which means they will be here much longer than 3 years.

If after 3 years they are still here you will just accept them.

I honestly don't think there is a point at which you would consider anything that would make you question any of this.

How do you think we end up with dictators and undemocratic societies? Its almost as if you think we will never repeat the mistakes from our past.

Power corrupts. Look at Stephen Donnelly..

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296082#Comment_118296082

All restrictions limit groups in different ways, they're not discriminatory (e.g. "you must be this tall to go on this ride").

They are public health measures designed to reduce R and hospitalisations while trying to minimise impact on people. The vaccinated 80 year old has followed public health advice, the unvaccinated 18 year old hasn't, it's that simple, so many rants and you still misunderstand the fundamentals and what discrimination is (unless the EU overlords want control over unvaccinated 18 year olds?).

bokale · 09-12-2021 03:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296040#Comment_118296040

Think this stuff should be kept to CT thread

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296117#Comment_118296117

An 18 year old is less likely to end up in hospital than an 80 year old vaccinated person.

Public health advise or not. One is more at risk than the other.

If you argument is that "well its not about health at that point, it because you didn't follow the rules"

We are **** lost.

As I said before. There is no scientific logic in your argument. As you pointed out. Its not about science, its about obeying the rules from above. Even if they make no logical sense.

We are still the same old catholic Ireland. Follow the rules. Heads down. Follow the rule.

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296191#Comment_118296191

It is scientific, the goal is to reduce R, not go after the individual measures that decrease R the most (otherwise public transport would be closed), it's a group of measures to keep R down, the measures are arbitrary e.g. 60 year old vaccinated can do more than a willfully unvaccinated 18 year old, because it keeps the R number down and the 60 year old has followed public health measures.

If Omicron is bad or R increases a lot, then restrictions based on age could come in (we already had the cocooning advice).

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296244#Comment_118296244

But everyone who is vaccinated is 95% protected against death and disease. Which would mean that it would be better to let it spread. Get natural immunity and then we'd be out of this quicker.

Essentially what you are saying that there is no acceptable level of risk we can take before we return to normal.

Again. The 80 year old is more at risk of taking up an hospital bed than the 18 year old. No logical heath reason behind banning the 18 year old other than "do as we say, not because it makes sense, but because we said so"

astrofool · 09-12-2021 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296275#Comment_118296275

That's what's happening, keep R low enough so that hospitalations don't overwhelm the system but try and keep everything as open as possible, we'll see restrictions fall away into Spring (depending on Omicron, if it has a high reinfection rate alot of people will be impacted, booster jab seems to work well on preliminary results though).

09-12-2021 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118295404#Comment_118295404

Its quite bizarre how many people believe if something inst 100% guaranteed its 100% useless

growleaves · 09-12-2021 04:06PM

All I want for Christmas is to reduce R.

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296315#Comment_118296315

So basically the vaccines were not as effective as they hoped.

Passes don't stop the spread as hoped. (hence closing night clubs again)

Got it. I don't think we disagree tbh. Maybe on if at this point we should get on with it or not.

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296340#Comment_118296340

Given that naturally immunity passes expire after 6 months. Do you agree that vaccine passes should also expire given that the ability to prevent infection wanes very quickly and to a low level after the same time period with the vaccine?

Should those vaccinated 5-6months ago be banned from indoor dining in case they kill granny?

Red Silurian · 09-12-2021 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296416#Comment_118296416

Natural immunity doesn't just bluntly pass after 6 months, it wanes slowly, meaning it becomes less effective over time, a year, maybe even 2 years post-vaccination you should still have significant antibodies and T-Cells to protect you from the virus

So, no, the pass should not expire after 6 months

watchingfromafar · 09-12-2021 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118296435#Comment_118296435

If its dropping while clubs were open. Should clubs be open now? or are these restrictions silly?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings