Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Our constitution also protects freedom of movement, freedom to earn a living ect does is not ? Seems anything unconstitutional is OK in the name of public health

Public health will be next to go

If they wanted an accurate model (that's debatable) but they could be assuming that 75% of the population are fully vaccinated and 75% of those recovered would be fully vaccinated, so recovered and double vaccinated, meaning for the assumption of the model they don't have to account for waining in the recovered group.

Probably make more sence lobbing them in with those boostered (assuming they account for that, who knows though)

Actually not completely. Natural immunity from infection triggers multiple different responses. Immunity isn't all antibodies

T-Cell immunity, Mucosal immunity

Anecdotally, I got covid 5 months ago. People I work with hadn't got it but had all been vaccinated. They are slowly dropping like flies to covid infections. Meanwhile I am fine. I also go out and interact socially far more than they do.

We also have a massive case study that was Sarscov1. Immunity from natural infection lasting up to 17 years.

The vaccines aren't as good as hoped.

The best thing to happen now would be for all vaccinated people to catch a mild dose and reach a better level of immunity

That is why we should get rid of all restrictions. Let everyone get the mild dose and move on.

Vaccines stop hospitalisations and deaths right? then we should okay

Important to note that the Townsend et al estimate of immune durability from SARS-CoV-2 infection is based on mathematical modelling and is, as admitted by the authors, severely limited by a dearth of reliable data for the other coronaviruses used for comparison, particularly SARS-CoV and MERS, the closest known coronavirus relatives of SARS-CoV-2, as well as being limited to antibody analysis, with no consideration for B- or T-cell mediated immunity in the longer term.

This is the first pandemic where mathematical modelling has been used in real time and as we've seen from previous efforts to predict case numbers and so on, there will be huge failures to be learned from.

Your last point is solid. It's believed that most of the circulating human-infecting coronaviruses started like SARS-CoV-2, affecting older/sicker people much more severely and younger people hardly at all, but leaving behind B- and T- cell mediated immunity such that later infections are more easily dealt with and therefore milder. By the time you've gone through a decade or two of the virus being endemic you end up with a population that has contracted the coronavirus in early life and had disease that presents as a common cold, and the next time they contract the same virus a good few years later after antibody waning, their B- and T-cell mediated immunity kicks in and they get a mild dose. So in (relatively) short order you have a population for whom the coronavirus infection is an annoying and occasionally repeating inconvenience but not serious (unless they are very old and/or very sick - the very rare cases that can currently get taken out by the common cold). We can only hope.

Can't see it happening they should leave things the way they are and bring back contact tracing in school.

I wouldn't be so sure, we had division between vaxxed and unvaxxed during the summer and it was the young who were left outside.

I had to wait about a month to get the cert the first time and I'm in my upper 30s. I got the jabs asap.

Plus NPHET don't care and it's a way for the Government to keep pubs open without more wage subsidies.

Don't like it, why not have a lovely pint outside instead with the rest of the non 3 jabs scum?

(I don't think it'll quite happen today but it's not far off)

And this is also the problem. Why are Tony and NPHET giving press/radio interviews at all. It's obviously to try to pressure/force the Government's hand in advance of the decisions - either Micheal hasn't realised how weak this makes him look, or he can't control Holohan.

If she's really THAT naïve, she has no business being in that job. She's standing at a podium giving an interview. Of course everything she says is going to be reported - including her "personal" opinion (which some might also call kite-flying/groundwork-laying)

But as I have said previously here and elsewhere, it is more evidence of the EUs overreach into the average citizen's lives. Ah I miss when it was just a trade body!

Yep. We're all doomed sure 🙄

No balls again from MM. NPHET been left decide again

I really don't think there will be tribunals about the Covid response. If there is, it'll be a complete waste of money.