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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Don't like some of the early noises from NPHET. Hospitality for the boosted only is on the cards I reckon.

    Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said Nphet would be meeting on Thursday to consider whether further restrictions were necessary, “mindful of Delta and the uncertainty around the Omicron variant”.

    “If we could see extensive use of the vaccine pass, whether mandated or voluntary, all of that would give us greater assurance in relation to protection and prevention of transmission,” he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭celt262


    Can't see it happening they should leave things the way they are and bring back contact tracing in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Well that ain't a runner given the level of boosting we currently have.

    The extensive use of vaccine pass he refers to is the recommendation to use it in gyms and personal services. It's been recommended twice in the last 3 weeks and turned down by government each time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I wouldn't be so sure, we had division between vaxxed and unvaxxed during the summer and it was the young who were left outside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Bit of a difference in doing that when the 20s were getting vaccines and when its over 60s getting boosters.

    At that point everyone was eligible to get a vaccine, not everyone can get a booster at this point



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I had to wait about a month to get the cert the first time and I'm in my upper 30s. I got the jabs asap.

    Plus NPHET don't care and it's a way for the Government to keep pubs open without more wage subsidies.

    Don't like it, why not have a lovely pint outside instead with the rest of the non 3 jabs scum?

    (I don't think it'll quite happen today but it's not far off)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Leo wakes up in the morning phones his PR people and finds which way the wind is blowing and goes with that. There's more substance of policy in a box of corn flakes than his head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,980 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    And this is also the problem. Why are Tony and NPHET giving press/radio interviews at all. It's obviously to try to pressure/force the Government's hand in advance of the decisions - either Micheal hasn't realised how weak this makes him look, or he can't control Holohan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The government allows it, that's the main issue for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,980 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    If she's really THAT naïve, she has no business being in that job. She's standing at a podium giving an interview. Of course everything she says is going to be reported - including her "personal" opinion (which some might also call kite-flying/groundwork-laying)

    But as I have said previously here and elsewhere, it is more evidence of the EUs overreach into the average citizen's lives. Ah I miss when it was just a trade body!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,980 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The Government nowadays is the Cabinet, and even then a subset of that group for many key issues.

    That's an even bigger issue in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dominatinMC




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    It suits them to hide behind NPHET. It avoids them having to make any decisions and absolves them of any responsibility.

    NPHET has been established with such a narrow frame of reference and stuffed with a narrow band of 'experts'. it is guaranteed to spit out a simple answer to every question around Covid - 'more restrictions'

    The Government don't want to be presented with a range of options - then they'd have to make a decision and do the job they're paid to do - govern.

    I can already hear the testimony in the future tribunals which will be set up to investigate the chronic mismanagement of the response to Covid - "We were following the best advice available".

    Meanwhile Dr Tony and his nodding dogs will just say they were only ever 'advising.'

    They'll all sail off on cushy pensions and nobody will ever be held accountable.

    Meanwhile our Grandkids will be still paying back the bill for this nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    On Freedom of movement

    Article 40.4 states that “no citizen shall be deprived of his personal liberty save in accordance with law"

    Meaning legislators can make it law that you have to stay within 2 or 5km of your home, similar to the constitutionality of MHQ where people can be stuck in a hotel room

    On the right to a livelihood.

    Article 45.2 states that the citizens (all of whom, men and women equally, have the right to an adequate means of livelihood) may through their occupations find the means of making reasonable provision for their domestic needs.

    That, in a nutshell, is why the PUP exists. The 350/week is considered "reasonable provision"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,040 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I really don't think there will be tribunals about the Covid response. If there is, it'll be a complete waste of money.

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    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Sprints, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar, The Scratch

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,040 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Another article in which the actual quotes from the Taoiseach bear no resemblance to the headline.

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    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Sprints, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar, The Scratch

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,961 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I will pay for flights, accomodation, and a concert ticket anywhere in the world if you can point out in that article where the taoiseach admits more restrictions are likely (except the headline)


    At this stage I'm just assuming you can't read



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are you surprised? He hasn't shown any real leadership since he entered politics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,827 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I don't get it. Case numbers are remaining relatively stable (high but stable), hospital numbers are down slightly and a fúcking million miles from NPHET's predictions, yet here we are being primed for even more restrictions. Leo is the only one making any noises about putting the brakes on that and we all know how that worked out for him last time. Last week they tell people they should be getting their kids vaccinated yet at the same time remove the vaccine pass for travel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    He lead the smoking ban fight in fairness and that's probably saved countless people from illness and death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭MOH


    The kind of tribunals with sandbags out the back would be more appropriate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    It'll be interesting to see what happens as countries put increasing restrictions on unvaccinated people and the trajectory of the spread doesn't shift from the expected wave pattern. Seems like a silly idea to me.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also from EuroNews.

    "People without the jab won't be able to access non-essential shops, restaurants, places of culture or leisure, outgoing chancellor Angela Merkel announced on Thursday.

    The new steps were taken after a meeting between Merkel, her successor Olaf Scholz and the leaders of the country's 16 regions.

    They also confirmed that a draft law on mandatory vaccination, which Scholz supports, would be submitted to parliament for entry into force in February or March."

    Clearly February-March is a pinch point for the elites. The know that if they don't get mandatory jab laws into place before the cold weather ends the narrative will become even more implausible than it is now.

    There's only so far you can spin a tale that doesn't match what people are seeing in their own lives, though it can be spun much further than I would have thought possible before 2020.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,709 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - The last part of your post is somewhat ironic given you are on the threadbanned list in post #1 and yet you keep posting in this thread, over and over again.

    Warnings and points have obviously not worked as a deterrent.

    Take a week away from the forum, when you come back if you post in this thread again it'll be a month ban, then permanent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Feel exactly the same. And why isn't anyone questioning NPHETs models either? Why, when they have been proven to be wrong time and again, are we still placing our trust in their expertise?

    I'm starting to think that we, posters in this thread, are outliers and that the public at large are happy to defer to NPHET and the government at every turn. The level of micromanagement and unwillingness to question anything is surreal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    Have NPHET models ever being questioned by anyone expect for rants on social media?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    17 years ago he led the fight against smoking in enclosed work spaces. There's more smokers than ever now so what did his leadership achieve?



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