Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

1192022242531

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The fact that the Baron spent alot of money on the attack was only vaguely hinted at towards the end of the film, it should have been clearer.

    It was mentioned that he was richer than the Emperor and it sounded like the Emperor was providing the Sardauker free of charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    They paid for the transport, in the book the Baron or Peter explains to the nephew that 2 legions of sardaukar were to join them and complains about that cost and Thufir predicts it'd be 2 legions but then the Emperor sent 50 leading instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Perhaps someone who has read the book more recently than I, can correct me, but I seem to recall that the reason the betrayal by Dr Yueh so blindsided the duke was because he was mentally conditioned to loyality to the family and that breaking such conditioning was virtually unheard of so was utterly unexpected because it was considered impossible.

    I was so worried about my 40+ year memory from when I last read it, that i had to check:

    "The only known breaking of the Suk Conditioning was achieved by Piter de Vries and the Old Baron Vladmir Harkonnen. They managed to break through Doctor Wellington Yueh 's Suk Conditioning, causing the death of Leto Atreides I and the Harkonnen sack of Arrakeen ."

    One failing of the film has probably lead to complaints of lack of ornithopter touch panels and general high tech Star Wars and other Scifi movie techno magic, and that is the universe it is set in, is one where there had been a Jihad against computers resulting in a society wide prohibition, leading to a complete reliance on humans doing all the complex computation necessary. The film doesn't begin to convey the significance of mentats - who were mental computational savants, who were able to mentally model complex systems to predict events while also doing high end mental maths to arrive at accurate results rapidly. The Guild navigators were sort of the pinacle of this human mental computation, combining it with spice to transform and improve their faculties to allow travel between the stars.

    Watching Dune without reading the book is probably worse than watching it with a pirate patch over one eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I've just watched Dune again, for the 4th time 😁

    Twice in the Cinema, once at home via an OLED and surround setup.

    This time, via Skybox VR my Oculus Quest and sweet Jesus it has blown me away all over again! Absolutely incredible viewing experience and even more detail and lore/fan service nods that I missed the 1st 3 times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    It says a legion consists of 10 brigades and is 30000 men.

    In the book only one legion was sent it seems.

    Seemingly The baron says it'll take at least 60 years of full-capacity spice production to offset the costs !



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    Besides not anticipating the lengths the Harkonnen and Emperor would go to there's another point Leto makes in the book to Paul for triggering the trap. Basically that he knew the emperor and some of the other houses were coming for house Atreides, with Arrakis he knew it was a trap and in doing so could more clearly try to counter (with the emphasis on building a Fremen army to counter the Sardaukar). He felt that if they did not spring it fully and see the full range of houses arrayed against them, by pre-emptively outing the plot for example, then they would lose sight of the threat and would be blind again. His logic was that if you can see the hand in front of you holding a knife you can plan to counter a knife strike, if that retreats into shadow you don't know what it will return with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just on the high tech touch panels and techno magic I think you are wrong about how people think.

    Battlestar Galactica had no problems with it's functional looking tech and generally as many people seem to laugh at the over the top flashiness of Discovery or the JJprise as do love it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I also liked the controls on the ornithopter and on BSG. I actually think it will age better than glass panel displays and/or VR/AR headsets etc. I remember watching BSG spinoff show, Caprica (Interesting but dragged a bit). In it they mention that human consciousness could be downloaded and saved to about 128 Gigabytes or something. I thought that was clever because, even at the time, it was counterintuitively a small value.

    Regarding dating, I'm thinking of the likes of this:





  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb


    tickets should be half price for half a story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    You're REALLY not going to like Lord of The Rings so...



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My ticket cost less than the pint I had afterwards so I can't really complain.

    Cinema tickets are one of the few things seem to get cheaper the older I get



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Saw this on Monday in the cinema and thought it was fantastic.

    Wanted to go again, but out of curiosity I wanted to check if it was up on Kodi and bam! The full high audio fidelity version is available there to stream.

    I assume this is the risk when they launch on a streaming site like HBO Max at the same time as the cinema.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,227 ✭✭✭jj880


    You made the right choice seeing in cinema first. I watched at home and wished id went to cinema. Only good thing about kodi etc. there are good subtitles for some hard to hear parts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My second watch was at home and I found myself concentrating on the quieter bits much better than in the cinema.

    Definitely should be seen in the cinema first though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    there are certainly a lot of parts where the music drowns out the actor voices... thought Christopher Nolan was the only director guilty of this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    youtube seeing me looking for new sardaukar chant but sends me in a different direction..


    Damn this is well put together! Some fine use of video editing and the pipe music!

    (spoilers if you haven't seen/read Dune yet)


    Dune | We are Atreides

    "Mood! What's mood to do with it?"




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    My only real gripe with this movie.

    It's bollocks in this day and age that you have to strain to hear the dialogue. I'd love to watch Dune with the score dialled back to 6, instead of 11. If the script is good enough you don't need Zimmer's organs to let us know something dramatic is happening.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm starting to think Slydice might be a little bit of a fan of the Atreides - no one tell him they're fictional 😋

    On the subject of dialogue vs. music, this YouTube essayist (whom I'd shared before; he's very easy to listen to, and isn't as "arty farty" as someone like Nerdwriter1) made a video on this issue of overpowering music, via the most controversial example from recent times - Tenet. I can't say I necessarily agree with Nolan's ideas relating to drowning the dialogue out with music, but I suppose it's at least a choice I can respect. From what I've heard of Villeneuve's thoughts on the matter - that the music itself be a form of dialogue - it seems of a similar vein.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Book spoiler.

    Does poor Sly know the Atreides are very much the bad guys 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,042 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    I didn’t find Dune all that bad for it. It was atrocious in Tenet. I couldn’t make out a single word in some segments 😰



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Well.. I've read all the main books and a bunch more after that so I have a fair idea of what's going on.

    Also watched a fair bit of scifi and tv shows and youtube tribute videos and I mean.. I could definitely tell a good bit of work went into that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Well, while the music was ear-bleedingly loud, yeah, I'll agree with L'prof. I didn't have the same problem hearing dialogue with Dune as I did with Tenet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb


    can we not go full spoilers, the new spoiler thingy is worse then the old one


    why are they sacrificing their armies (the goodies), their facilities (the badies)?

    Post edited by pjcb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The dialogue needed subtitles, in several parts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,233 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The worldwide gross is now at $353,217,408.

    With a production budget of $165 million (not including marketing and promotion), its struggling to make a profit.

    Warner Bros must have stumped up a fair bit to Legendary to have the film debut on HBO Max at the same time as the US cinema release so that might add another 100m to the gross.

    The second film should be alot more profitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,031 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I just watched it today, a few weeks after reading the first half of the book again in preparation. A few days ago I saw the last episode of the first season of Foundation on Apple TV+, and the contrast could hardly greater. (It's not a fair comparison, since Foundation is considered un-filmable if you stick closely to the original Asimov stories from the 1940s. This is the first of several attempts that actually made it to a screen by not adhering to the stories, for better and for worse.) So I was pleasantly-surprised at how faithful Dune is to the book, though the book helps by being fundamentally cinematic.

    About the only problem I have with the film is that it didn't try to explain the really big picture. (Book spoilers ahead.) We see that the Harkonnen forces are bolstered by battalions of Sardaukar, and we are told they are Imperial forces. Which means that the remote Emperor supports that Harkonnen side and set up the Atreides clan for failure. However, the reasoning behind this is not explained at all. I only heard the word "Landsraad" once, with no details, and no mention of CHOAM at all. Maybe that will come later, but for now I can imagine movie viewers being a bit unclear about why things went down like that.

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It seemed pretty simple. The Atreides are getting powerful enough to challenge the Emperor so he needs them snuffed out.

    The word Landsratt may only have been mentioned once but Paul makes it clear how powerful it would be if word of what happened made it to the great houses



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    The reason for the Emperor being against House Atreides was explained early - Leto explains it to Paul after he asks for permission to go to Arakis with the scouts. Josh Brolin’s character also brings it up during the combat practice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I was just wondering about this. I don’t normally look up the box office as it isn’t my money :) but I was curious about how Ghostbusters Afterlife is doing. I had thought Dune had smashed the box office when they announced Part 2 was ago but I saw mention of Dune apparently struggling. The whole article on box office was very convoluted though.

    so has it not even broke even yet?



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The 2x rule of thumb is just that; but I can't believe during CoVId, those hidden marketing costs have been the same as previous - it's entirely possible these "underperforming" blockbusters have turned profits sooner from not having outlaid so much promotional money. But then that's the problem - it's all a bit smoke and mirrors either way.

    Dune had a stronger-than-expected opening weekend, but stalled a little with the arrival of Eternals, so only had 2 weeks of a free run as the top billing in cinemas. AFAIK we also don't know how it has performed on HBO Max (or indeed, piracy stemming from that) but seems some have tried to spitball it. It did OK apparently, though interesting how said spitball showed The Suicide Squad doing well - even though it was a noted flop in cinemas. Dune has definitely been a film people talked about though; not lacking in buzz and chatter. While with a sequel film, and TV spin-off both greenlit, Warners obviously see enough to persist for now.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    There's really no point trying to make sense of Hollywood accounting practices. Sure according to the below Bohemian Rhapsody which grossed over 900m on a 50m budget is in the red for 50m.

    ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Scribe Anthony McCarten Sues Producers Over Profits – Deadline



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    LOL, ye gods. Yeah, I've heard of that practice before; demonstrable mega-success, but the studio pleads it was a flop - presumably via some extremely creative accounting so they can pocket/hoard the profits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,023 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The fact they green lit the sequel is probably the only honest answer we will get



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,302 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    There are some very very odd things related to film and taxes.

    I give to you the career of Uwe Boll.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/03/game-over-uwe-boll-worst-director



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Ah yeah, I'd say it's broke even for sure.

    $165 million budget

    $367 million made

    so like

    $200million.. yeah probably a bit of profit on top of the marketing


    Wasn't expecting a lot more. I remember hearing it was mainly just white dudes who went to see it

    Haven't heard anything since to give me any other impression

    So 1, maybe 2 of the quadrants of the 4 quadrant movie audience .. was never gonna make a huge splash.



    Checked Ghostbusters earlier and it only cost 70 so should be grand to make it's money back.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    In finding that old post of mine, I noticed 1 hour Sardaukar is gone. 10 hour prevails (*nods* "Just so")


    The creator has added this though!

    9 mins in so far (.. thump thump ..)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Niska


    Ah yeah, I'd say it's broke even for sure.

    $165 million budget

    $367 million made

    so like

    $200million.. yeah probably a bit of profit on top of the marketing


    Well the gross is just the gross, you need to take off the sales tax and the cinema's cut. So that €367 m gross maybe $190 m- $200 m to Warners.

    Interesting look at the box office money 'waterfall'




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    When you factor in marketing and other costs the "break-even" point was probably $300-400m.

    Putting aside the $370m box office take, it generated great reviews, probably did a bomb on streaming, and given the strong reviews they knew there would be increased interest in a sequel, all of which ties into future streaming/distribution deals as well.

    So I'd say it made a small profit but they're thinking longer term.

    Look at something like Alita Battle Angel, made $400m on a budget similar to Dune but was considered an under-performer and a sequel was not approved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    11th January release date for the Blu-Rays/DVD's. Was hoping it would be before Christmas. Hopefully digital releases come a bit earlier.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    Afaik digital is Xmas week.



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Also: not necessarily of use to anyone in Ireland, but Dune will return to IMAX theatres on December 3; the guess is only for 2 weeks before the Spider-Man sequel comes out December 17th. Man, it got bumped for a Marvel film - and now will probably get bumped AGAIN for another Marvel film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Didn't that happen with Forrest Gump? They screwed over the author. Made it seem that it was a flob so he couldn't get his share. Then they realised they didn't have rights to sequel and tried to buy that and he told them to... ahem.... leave.


    It may have been an urban legend about buying the sequel but I believe they screwed the author/estate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Excellent news, I've got those two weekends in London coming up for theatre so I'll squeeze in another Dune viewing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I get the impression it happens a lot in Hollywood when it comes to paying royalties owed towards the creator of a successful IP. I had heard the same story with (IIRC) Dan O'Bannon, one of the creators of the Alien xenomorph; the studio claiming they couldn't pay him his due 'cos the smash hit movie Alien was deemed a "flop"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    FYI for those interested in a little compare and contrast, Dune 1984 has popped up on Netflix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Probably worth mentioning that it's gonna give away a bunch of the story that Part 2 of Villeneuve’s Dune will be covering.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Honestly of all the 1984 films pluses, coherence is not one of them. I daresay you could watch it and still feel a little unsure what to expect from the Villeneuve sequel.

    That's crazy impressive. Does make me think I was a total waster in my own teenage years lol. It was only mentioned recently but hadn't actually realised how much of a fan Villeneuve truly was for Dune. In retrospect it's obvious by the manner of the final feature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Saw this yesterday in cinema and so glad I did. Loved loved loved it.

    I wasn't a huge book fan, I remember I read it years and years and it took me a number of goes to get through it but this was just a visual treat. Would almost go to see it again. You're doing yourself a disservice if you watch this on the small screen only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭jones


    Can't get to the cinema at the moment to see this but have the 4k Blu-ray preordered. Have a fairly decent home cinema so hopefully I don't lose too much.

    Dying to see it, i enjoyed the audiobook only listened to it last year



  • Advertisement
Advertisement