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Will you be taking a booster?

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Hamza Tender Rumor


    But I got the two jabs and happily did so.

    Yet now, not getting boosters every 6 months will be considered selfish. Wow.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Yeah, I'll take it, I get the flu jab annually so will just roll along with this for now.

    I'm still relieved its not a decision I need to make for my smallies as they are currently under the age for it and I'd rather it stay that way for now, they are at very little (if any) risk from the current strains circulating.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Hamza Tender Rumor


    The statistics don't back up the need for double jabbed people under 45 to be worried. I'm sorry that's just the data.

    Of course, you could be very unlucky as with so many things in life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Never said it did, in fact i expect that i will in all honesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Booked in for next week for mine. So yep, seems to be showing promise


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Feel free to present your mystery data. I've shared some (and the Atlantic article linked to some excellent NYC data.) So, what's the cost of Covid illness to an under 45? What is the likelihood of under-45 spreading it unboosted versus boosted?

    Booster programs just started, FYI, so data might be hard to come by. But there's plenty of data on how bad it is to die from Covid.

    Basically, your point seems to be "I can't be bothered since I was double jabbed and I'm under 45." Is that right? And you're advocating the same for others under 45, even though you have no data, pro or con?

    In the US, depending on the severity, it's pretty scary. In Ireland I'm sure it's very expensive but good luck pulling data from the walking failure that is the HSE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    No, and I got my 2 jabs last year.

    The only way i'll get it is if I have to for travel - which will probably be the case ... so yes, I am forced to get it by the EU medical dictatorship we live in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    Yes and remember it's not giving us any freedoms back, just look at the EU now, going/gone back into lockdown.

    Only a matter of time for Ireland ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Why do you think they are not effective? What numbers are you looking at to decide that and what numbers would you need to see to decide they are effective?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭kg703


    Yes, I'll take it. Not due one for a few months Id say though. One issue Ill have to ask my GP is if I can get a different one because I was so sick after the second, I really dont want to go through that again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,899 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    whats normal or normality, in relation to a new virus, that will probably always be in circulation?

    government decisions are based on the progress of this virus, its sole reason for existing is to kill as many humans as possible, hence for such decisions, so id say its truly the virus thats actually in control and moving 'goalposts'

    ...and yes, i ll snap up that booster as soon as i can....



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    its sole reason for existing is to kill as many humans as possible

    FFS, where's a facepalm smiley when you need one. No that is NOT it's sole reason for existing. It's not even a reason. A virus actual sole reason for existence is to reproduce as efficiently as possible. Killing people is a side effect and one Covid is remarkably shíte at doing. Indeed the perfect virus would be highly infectious and cause few or no obvious symptoms, spreading silently in the background, happily making little copies of itself. Obvious symptoms and death are detrimental to any virus as it kills their host and makes potential hosts keep away so limits their ability to reproduce.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    If its offered i don't see why not, i really hope it doesn't have the same side affects as the 2nd jab though, that was an awful 24 hours for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,899 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    felt like shite after the first, no problems on the second, seems different for many



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Seems to be. Just going by friends and family, a tiny sample group of course, the one that had the fewest side effects was the J&J, the Pfizer the most, the AZ somewhere in the middle but closer to the Pfizer. One guy I know had one of the Pfizer and point blank said no way to the second as the first really buggered him up. His wife had bad enough side effects, but milder. His older kids had none. There does seem to be some resistance to the notion of boosters for a few of the above and none are close to being anti vaccination types. With some it's just general virus panic fatigue kicking in, with others the ones that had the side effects it's more to do with that.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's relevant to how health authorities persuade people to take vaccines and now boosters. It applied very clearly when we had no protection against it. Now, though, with a combination of 20 months experience of the virus and statistics of risk very strongly skewed towards the vulnerable and older groups it's far harder to persuade people of the benefits of a booster. We've already seen this come up in the 12-15 vaccinations where up to 40% remain unvaccinated because statistics identify them as having an extremely low risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I doubt I'd take the booster if offered, unless I genuinely felt at risk, only my opinion but I think the vaccine itself (if it works) should be enough for several years bar you're high risk case or operate in high risk areas etc.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Indeed, do no harm is a first principle and people will weigh up their risks. Under 60, reasonably fit and healthy - why bother taking further injections?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    i'm honestly undecided, have been double jabbed so not anti vax but just feel what's the point, the numbers are so high anyway will it really make any difference at all, but then who knows what restrictions are going to come back, and they are coming back make no bones about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Which can be countered by what's the need? One of the issues of the blanket use of boosters is that you are just wasting them on people who don't need them; in other words giving them unnecessary drugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    There's always a risk, it just depends on how you weight it, there are some who thought their vaccine side affects (though mild enough) were worse than when they actually had Covid (or at least tested positive).

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I will.

    I was vaccinated in the North, and will be arranging an appt in a pharmacy when I get a free day over the next couple of weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭howiya


    I'll get it when it's made available. Don't have any strong feelings on it either way. Just hope they don't amend the covid pass requirements while we're in the queue for the vaccine.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Last sentence.

    The vaccine helps prevent serious illness which in turn will keep hospital admissions down and ease pressure on the available ICU beds.

    I would consider that helping others.

    I will be taking a booster when offered, and every time its needed until a more long term vaccine is developed. Flu jabs are annual. The pneumonia jab I think is twice, five years apart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Which is why those who are most at risk should get boosters. I would even go as far as those most in need in other countries should be prioritised ahead of those who are at little or no risk



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    I’ll probably catch covid at some stage and will view this infection as my booster.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,103 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Most definitely. We have covid in our house this week.

    I'm vaccinated with a host of underlying issues - ashtma, Barrets oesophagus and eosinopholic oesophagus (ashtma of the oesophagus) - and I'm sitting here with only a mild headache the last couple days. Just took a long walk in the country and not a bother.

    Partner - unvaccinated - struggling in bed the last 3 days with no underlying issues. Extremely sick but fortunately breathing not particularly bad. Worrying none the less. Opinion on vaccines has dramatically changed.



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    As it stands, for the moment boosters are only being offered to certain groups.

    But I believe they will eventually be offered to everyone, and unless medically unable to be vaccinated / boostered, should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nonsense. You can't determine a priori that they're unnecessary. And, as a real health department (the CDC in the US) has just come out recommending boosters for all adults in the US, I think Ireland should follow suit. What data do they have in Ireland that refutes what the CDC is now saying? None. Just fear of the media is all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, no risk then? Because you've not quantified it, where the risk from Covid is well known. And, of course, anecdotes are not data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No but you can prioritise groups you know are at risk. Statistically if you're under 40 and healthy you're at very low risk from COVID and there's a high probability you don't need a booster. The US has under 60% fully vaccinated, probably a lot lower in some places, so it's no surprise that they have done so. There is no widespread agreement on the value of boosters and as has been stated many times doses in people without any protection, half the world, would be a whole lot better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Yes, the risk for Covid is well known, for many it's practically no risk at all, hence the decision.


    The decision itself is yours and no-one else's, you have to be happy with your own choice.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You’d like vaccines to be sent from here to people in other countries first ? Before people here ?

    Not very fair on taxpayers here... who pay for the vaccines and for whom some might actually be life saving.

    ill take a booster if offered it... I’m almost 9 months fully vaccinated... aside from a little fatigue in the 24 hours after the first shot there hasn’t been any adverse reactions... to either vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If you believe that averaged outcomes of statistical data are the only valid form of knowledge then that's a choice you've made.

    Sackett defined Clinical Epidemiology as being done "by a physician who provides direct patient care". IOW particular experience ("anecdotes") should hold more weight than any other considerations.

    It's up to each person if they want to regard themselves as a statistical aggregate or take their own personal health, fitness, and circumstances into consideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,641 ✭✭✭✭fits


    yes I’d like to see vulnerable people in other countries and healthcare workers vaccinated before Id take a third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Physician experience as part of an organized study is central to evidence-based medicine. The anecdotes, for example, are presented earlier in the thread with 'people felt worse from the vaccine than when they had covid' or whatever it was; no link to a study, no data, ambiguous sources, i.e., no better than a lad down the pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Here's one for you: Getting a covid vaccine reduces your risk for non-Covid related illnesses and death.

    This cohort study found lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality among vaccinated persons compared with unvaccinated persons in a large, sociodemographically diverse population during December 2020–July 2021. 

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm


    Got any data to back up your assertion that it's 'practically no risk at all?' Inquiring overworked morticians want to know!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    vaccines are transported in batches so if ‘your’ booster vaccine is going off to Sierra Leone or wherever, so are hundreds of others...depriving others here too...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    So you're saying there's scientific proof that there's absolutely no risk with vaccines and boosters; there's no risk of a side effect mild or otherwise???

    That's not anecdotal that's utter BS, there's always risk, even the injection carries a risk itself.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No, I'm calling you out on stating the risk from Covid is low, lower than getting a booster. Feel free to provide the data. Everything we do has risk, and yes, you have to quantify but you haven't, and you know well that Covid is not something you want to contract or spread to others - right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    There you go so : https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327, the chances of someone in their 20s actually requiring medical care are about 1 in 30 going to 1 in 100 for hospital care, that's not bad compared to the stated side effect rates as per the HSE's own publication (at least the papers I received when getting mine).


    Anyhow, I'm not arguing with you about Covid, just stating that convincing people to take a booster within a year of the vaccine for an illness they have already had and gotten over is a hard sell.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The general thinking around boosters is that they should absolutely be used in over 65s and at risk groups first, then the rest of the world before we come back to the rest of the population who are not in urgent need of one. Of course that is not going to happen and any country that can line up its population to get boosters will do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Actually, yes, you stated : "So, no risk then?"


    As I've already said, there's always a risk, it's your own choice and you have to consider your own concerns when making that decision, not some scientific study someone on boards googled.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I said that, when responding to your not providing data at that point in the thread. I am glad you are in support of Covid vaccination, it is hard to tell sometimes. Per the Tanaiste on CNN last night, the problem leading to the reintroductions of restrictions here, is the unvaccinated. Getting boosters into people will reduce their impact - at this point, I believe the unvaccinated are a lost cause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,653 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I've got the first two, but I think I'm now done.

    I never saw myself in any real danger from covid myself. I took the vaccine to do my bit for those few who arent at minuscule risk and to help us to get out of this hellish circle. On both counts the vaccines didnt deliver it seems.

    A third one to make it alright? And after that a fourth one? All the way tied to a partake-in-life-permission (or not)?

    Maybe it is safe to have twenty or a hundred. Who knows. I dont think anyone wants to actually harm us and I'm obviously not 'anti-vax'.

    But I dont think I want to partake in this try and error approach and I certainly dont want to support the political games around it anymore.

    This isn't a final decision. There are always other considerations like family pressure or something, but on the whole I'm pretty p***** off about it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭breadmond


    I can't see myself taking the third jab. I'm young and healthy so don't really see why I should. I took the first two to protect family and try to get back to real life etc but now we're told it doesn't affect transmission so I don't see the point. We need to accept that if it's going to become endemic we'll all eventually catch it and shutting the country down every six months until we all get more injections isn't a solution



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a 3 dose vaccine now..You'll take it if you want your pass to keep working..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    No booster for me - I’m not in an at risk group. I took the vaccine to protect the elderly and get society herd immunity, but turns out that was a load of rubbish. There isn’t any attempt by the drug companies to explain why the vaccines cause neurological problems in some people - I had 2 months of nerve inflammation, there is no-one who can tell me whether the booster is likely to do the same/worse or less. There is no information, no discussion, so no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭bloopy


    I believe we may be seeing the genesis of the 'vaccinated antivaxer' insult train in this thread.

    Should get fun over the next few months. Leos changing of the wording to 3 dose vaccine rather than booster may indicate how the term "fully vaccinated" is going to change pretty soon.

    Will some of us end up getting thrown back outside with the rest of the unclean. I don't think we will have to wait too long to find out.



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