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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Interesting. Fair. That's your choice

    How many and in how short of time frame until you said no more?

    Like if they said its everything 3 months to stop you spreading. Or 6 months even?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,688 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I would love to say that I am surprised by people posting their own musings and quesswork attempting to sell them as undeniable truth, but alas in your case in particular on Covid and excess deaths that is not even vaguely possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/will-nudged-winter/

    This is an interesting article on how behavioural sciences have been used to "nudge" people along. A polite way of saying propaganda, but whatever.

    At this point, Plan B looks inevitable. For Patrick Fagan, a behavioural scientist at Goldsmiths, University of London, it’s a classic example of what he calls the “foot-in-the-door” technique. “Firstly, it makes us accept Plan A, because compared to Plan B, it looks more reasonable,” he told me. “Then, once we have accepted and acclimatised to Plan A, we are more likely to then accept Plan B, because it is just one extra step on top of the commitment we’ve already made.” He also thinks discussion of Plan B might help ministers with the “exposure effect... simply by talking about the measures... the Government makes them more familiar and therefore more psychologically acceptable”.

    UK-centred article, obviously, but you'll notice many "nudges" in hindsight (two weeks to slow the spread) and many current ones, including "draft dodgers" to refer to people who haven't received an mRNA injection, talk of "enjoying Christmas" which plants the idea that Christmas may be at risk leading to a greater willingness to accept restrictions when they come along. We "hope" we won't need to bring in more restrictions. etc.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Sure, go ahead and correct me, then.

    What do you think is the collateral damage of the restrictions we've had?

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dave Cullen's latest video on Bitchute is about that. He says that NPHET propose heavy restrictions and then people are grateful when the government introduces measure that are slightly less restrictive. When you take everything away from people they're happy with a few crumbs, unfortunately.



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  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course he won't get an answer, even though he's spot on. It continues to be the gigantic elephant in the room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don;t think it matters what rules they forge, somebody is always going to be unhappy to be fair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm beginning to think at this late hour, Government winding up the VFI , astonishing there's no guidelines at 5.40 pm, is it a case of deliberate delay so no opening at midnight tonight 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    2029 new cases, kind of feels like the year this will be over

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Our situation, all told, is a lot better than the UK. If you look at what was planned for tomorrow, only a couple of things have changed. They have delivered the big ticket item of hospitality, despite the mad rules that may go with it and they’ve just tweaked the return to work advice. What we didn't get was the elimination of physical distancing and of course mask removal in most cases.

    As a restriction it’s more annoying than a hindrance but we haven't reversed anything. I wouldn't read too much into the “can't rule anything out” comments from NPHET. It was an answer to a question and I would view it as a just in case plan being formed. It really depends on how accurate these models they have put together are. As they say they I wouldn't put the house on them. Really, I would describe our new reality as a pause although winter will unquestionably be used as an excuse to maintain whatever we have at present. We’d need to see numbers dip very low for any kind of changes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,688 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I already have.

    You were making guesses and assumptions and attempting to pass them off as truths on excess deaths not being primarily due to Covid. I have given you the facts, whether you wish to accept them or not is entirely up to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Actually it is not a lot better than the UK when you adjust for population and the fact they are at least a couple of months further into the wave -

    70% less testing & 29K cases / day

    1200 ICU

    122 Deaths / day

    6120 in hospital

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Speaking of the plan from tonight/tomorrow. Hot off the presses. Looks better than hinted at




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    So why can nightclubs have 100% capacity and pubs and restaurants can’t?

    Why can you queue at the bar to get your drinks presumably on top of everyone else but then have to go back to the table to drink?

    I’d honestly love to be a fly on the wall when they come up with this shite. You’d swear they put restrictions up on a dart board and throw darts to decide 🤦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We really need breakdown on the figures, what age groups, are % unvaccinated, whether they're re-inefctions etc.

    Also, the restaurant association need a new representative. You couldn't make it up, reduced capacity in restaurants but not nightclubs :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I agree on both fronts,

    Adrian Cummins a complete buffoon, spent the entire pandemic moaning, whinging, supporting measures then threatening legal action (that didn't end well), moaned about PUP,then ludicrously suggested if his industry didn't get its way, staff (the people he belittled) would have to go back on it, despite it being closed since 8th July.

    His most Ironic cliché "we've stepped up to plate" has been the cause of much laughter and disbelief within the industry.

    Now he's bitching the night time economy permitted to re open fully. He's a vile, odious and clueless buffoon

    Did I mention, I can abide him 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Vaccination status is not asked when getting a test (at least it wasn't a month ago).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    long covid cyber warming ..... and why not throw in some ‘Russian interference’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Cummins is useless is he? Not in the industry so maybe he is respected within it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Don't think tables are mentioned for night clubs are they?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    "Pent up demand"

    "Where all in this together"

    "The next Two weeks, are Critical, Crucial "

    "Modify our Behaviour"

    "Wash your Hands"

    To name but a few irritating pandemic clichés, Guidence directives but the newest and most bizzare

    "Social Distance Queuing" wtf is that 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,121 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I was for 28 years and can confirm he's a joke and laughing stock , has actually caused more problems than he's solved and I know many members of the RAI who have either not renewed subscriptions or certainly won't be.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    It's the 8th of January for me. I was hoping that the government would stick to their word and bin the certs tomorrow.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If you get a jab it will only be 6 weeks (assuming 4 weeks between jabs and 2 weeks post second jab)



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sick enough not to be fit to play against Portugal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    He was self isolating, that's why he was not playing. Nothing to do with being sick. If he wasn't continuously tested he wouldn't even know he had it.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    We have more in ICU when you adjust for population.

    They have been fully opened since mid July.



  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But they did what Dave Cullen says they've been doing for close to two years, that is just tweak the restrictions a tiny bit and people are grateful for a few more crumbs.


    All these behavioural scientists really shouldn't be commenting on health.



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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apologies, Azerbaijan at home. Isolation period was over. was not fit enough to start. He was actually more ill the second time



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