Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

What I want is actual checks on ppl as they arrive and the non vaxxed respectfully told they cannot enter and to move on.

Sorry for been panicky but I do have to right to be

More to do with the fact the restrictions won't be lifted for the rest of the year. We could get a date in November but it's not going to happen

It just comes across as complete and utter panic, you can't influence anything relating to whatever decision is made tonight or tomorrow, I can't influence anything either. Theres no point in getting yourself worked up, what good does it do you ? Nothing but more stress and that's not good for anybody either.

Head of vitners was on radio earlier spoke a lot of sense wants things to go back to normal for people who present the cert on entry if not now when?

What about the non-vaxxed who also have a cert showing they have had Covid in the last 6 months? They are allowed enter. So who is this cert theatre actually keeping out? The tiny number of adults who are not yet vaccinated and who don't have a Covid recovery cert. That's it.

The funny thing is passport control at the airport don't even check Covid certs routinely. There are only spot checks. Two of the three times I've returned to Ireland from abroad since September I've travelled here without anyone looking at my Covid documentation. The other time the airline gate staff checked them.

I think some people want pub staff to be like the Stasi...

New guidelines: Israel restricts its COVID-19 ‘green pass’ rules, sparking protest (arabnews.com)

"JERUSALEM: Israel restricted its COVID-19 Green Pass on Sunday to allow only those who have received a vaccine booster dose or recently recuperated from coronavirus to enter indoor venues. The new criteria mean that nearly 2 million people will lose their vaccination passport in the coming days.

Israel is the first country to make a booster shot a requirement for its digital vaccination passport. The move is widely seen as a step to encourage booster vaccination among those who have yet to receive a third dose."

This is where we're heading - make no mistake. Total control, excluding of individuals from society, and coming for the younger children soon.

If it was truly about Covid infection control - antigen testing would be used in many settings e.g. nightclubs, gigs, matches, schools, etc.

It's all about the anti-booster crowd now 😅

The government lied to us and are going to get away with it

As stated earlier by someone there's no real opposition to this farce

@AliasNeeded "Although given the level of buyer’s remorse surrounding the first two vaccine shots from people who only took it to keep said societal privileges and not for any medical reason, I suspect that uptake of the first round of booster vaccines will not come close to 93%"

Don't despair, the population of this once glorious country, will surprise you once more with mass compliance. It's just a needle anyway, it's just 2 weeks, it's just a cert, it's just a mask, and on and on and on...

Did they? How?

Fair enough, but ultimately it seems there is a different attitude where you socialise (though the age point you make viz checking is interesting).

Extending the cert requirement does mean, in my area, that unvaccinated will frequently not be able to go where their friends are and thus, whether people like it or not, a fair few will "cave in" and get the vaccine. It will also make many of us feel safer socialising. I personally feel safer (rightly, or perhaps wrongly) if I'm in an establishment that is checking passes. There seems little doubt that unvaccinated people spread covid (through being likely to get it and somewhat through spreading it more) more easily.

But I do accept that extending passes will only help a little in stopping the spread (though in a nightclub insisting on passes could stop a superspreader event). Clearly vaccinated people can and do spread the delta variant.

2 years in a row they messed it up over the summer with their overcautiousness.

They could have given us a spot of freedom over the summer last year when cases were in single digits. Nothing, not for Dublin at least.

This year when Boris Johnson was saying "If not now, when?", They stood off, went for the cautious route and made a bizarre date of October 22nd, miles away from the last date. Knowing full well, winter was about to kick in.

I mean, Tony Holohan was so confident that NPHET was not being disbanded that he took annual leave over the last couple of weeks just before NPHET was supposed to be disbanded. Not the week after NPHET was meant to be disbanded, the weeks before. NPHET were always going to be up and running post 22nd of October.