Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267117#Comment_118267117

Explain the Gibraltar 114% vaccine coverage, you brought it up. I was only correcting you.

Is it 114% on an 80% eligible population?

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267119#Comment_118267119

So you still think a let it rip approach is best? Be first in the world at least.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267130#Comment_118267130

Yes, we banned smoking in the workplace, put a tax on carrier bags made of plastic and voted in gay marriage. Why not lead a new frontier?

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267130#Comment_118267130

Or have you no confidence in the vaccines we all took?

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118264905#Comment_118264905

You must follow some stupid fcuking cvnts on Twitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118265872#Comment_118265872

I thought you were actually serious, until the "new norm" bit 🤣🤣🤣

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267138#Comment_118267138

Nevermind us randomers here, it's clear nphet have no confidence in the vaccines. They quite literally have put their entire faith into Nolan's random number generator and have tacitly said vaccines don't work. Hospital numbers have come down over 20% in two weeks, yet some model trumps real world data.

We are back to an abundance of caution approach so I fully expect more restrictions to be brought in over the next couple of weeks.

M_Murphy57

"Tensions grow as Nphet members must now ask Government for permission to appear on TV and radio"

Govt banning nphet from doing their own press releases, varadkar alledgedly called them a "political organisation" and wants their shite models externally peer reviewed

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/tensions-grow-as-nphet-members-must-now-ask-government-for-permission-to-appear-on-tv-and-radio-41117138.html

This would be extremely welcome news if govt hadn't just put thousands of people on the dole for Christmas off the back of a model they don't believe in and can't explain.

17larsson

Does anyone know what the numbers in ICUs were in winter 2019, 2018 or before?

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267367#Comment_118267367

A sliver of good news after a tsunami of **** yesterday. About time manners were put on them.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267372#Comment_118267372

Dont have the numbers, but there are plenty of news articles about the health service being overwhelmed - 2019 was record breaking IIRC

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267046#Comment_118267046

This is utter insanity

17larsson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267382#Comment_118267382

It would be great to see the numbers so we can directly compare the level of panic to what we have now.

I can't believe shutting businesses and putting masks on kids is the go-to strategy. If ICUs have always been full in Winter there's no reason to think this won't be an annual thing from now on

lee_baby_simms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267390#Comment_118267390

I think you’re 100% right, winter restrictions are permanent now I feel. Theres been a very clear shift towards measures that imply personal rather than institutional responsibility. Masking children rather than HEPA filters etc.

RayCon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267148#Comment_118267148

I laughed

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267367#Comment_118267367

Standard stuff here, government rollover got NPHET one day and the next day there is an article with the government supposedly unhappy with NPHET. It's all game to these politicians/beaurucrats. By right NPHET should have been refreshed every 6 months to bring in fresh thinking and the government should have fully opened in the summer as soon as all the vulnerable were vaccinated instead of this cautious cautious approach. Both NPHET and the government have made a complete pig's ear of handling this.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267406#Comment_118267406

It seems the government will do anything other than improve or take on the health service. Absolutely maddening imposing restrictions again.

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267295#Comment_118267295

Even Philip Nolan could follow the pattern with this one.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266358#Comment_118266358

There was a large enough protest yesterday about ths kid's masks, posters were circulating on Whatsapps.Got no coverage bar a tiny video way down on the Independent.I am now extremely suspicious of the strategies behind our newspapers and who is pulling the strings, particularly after the minimal enough coverage of a large protest last week.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267444#Comment_118267444

Have to say it was very Telling this protest got practically no coverage at all, fair enough events over in Leinster House were a slight discretion but very, very Telling indeed this protest almost ignored.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267372#Comment_118267372

There's a 'trolley crisis' every year.

reniwren

You would swear that every country in the world wasn't reintroducing some sort of virus spread control.

Numbers down in any graph need to be worst case so you can plan for worst case.

People need to get their news from people in the health service. Not from biased Facebook and Twitter feeds.

In fact if anyone does know someone in the health service, see if they need help with anything. These people are exhausted.

And if you do think someone's life is ruined by not being able to be in a pub. Try to help them.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267478#Comment_118267478

I’d say the pub owners life might be ruined too 🙄

reniwren

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267482#Comment_118267482

Do you know any? Are you to write deagio to give greater discounts so they can make greater profit in a shorter period with reduced clientele. It's not like the drinks industry isn't still booming.

Dempo1

The Shenanigans of Leaks and who's to blame all over print media this morning (a bit like groundhog day) we've been here before. Personally I don't believe for a second it was NPHET leaking (And to be clear, I'm absolutely not defending them) , I'm leaning towards civil servants within the DOH and or possibly grubby junior government politicians.

It absolutely suits the Government narrative, look for deflection, fake outrage, blame everyone but themselves. The dogs on the street saw what happened yesterday coming, Cowardly Cabinet members (who are supposed to be the actual decision makers) hide behind that often used cliche 'we follow public health advice" . If you listen to Norma Fur Coat Foley speak, she resonds to every criticism with Dt Holohan said this, we've always followed public health advice etc, not once has she taken any responsibility for the situation in schools, she's a Tundering disgrace.

Even Leo when presiding over yesterday's Shitshow of a press conference made subtle swipes at advice being received, leaks etc, the Brass neck from the chief Leaker is astonishing.

Collectively they are all a compete Joke , beyond believable at this stage, come Monday, watch out for back tracking on promised supports, more dithering, confusion and Bullshit.

I'm just perplexed at not just how we got here but how is it remotely possible we as a country could have Three Government parties make such a complete Bollox of so many things , it's just beggars belief at this stage.

M_Murphy57

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267482#Comment_118267482

And everyone working in live entertainment who will inevitably have to cancel gigs rather than work out how to cancel 50% of tickets they sold months ago.

And all the nightclub staff who just lost their jobs at xmas.

But yeah, we're just upset because we want to go for pints.

francogarbanzo

I'm willing to forgive Leo all and take back everything bad I've said about him if he removes power from NPHET who are now running the country.

Anyone who believes otherwise (nphet only offer advice- lol) is delusional.

I vote soc dems/ Labour, but willing to change course as I believe democracy is on the line here and across Europe. This is worrying me more than the virus itself.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267503#Comment_118267503

As a poster said yesterday, its not just hospitality staff. The knock on effects go all the way down the chain, the food/drink companies, the transport companies, cleaning companies, even down to the beauticians/hairdressers who will loose business with people not doing themselves up to go out.

So many narrow minded people and 'I'm alright Jack's' thinking its only about lads going for pints.

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267478#Comment_118267478

This is the most virtuous post I have ever seen! Who are you trying to impress?

dpforce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267372#Comment_118267372

ICU audit report from 2018:

http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/noca-uploads/general/Irish_National_ICU_Audit_Annual_Report_2018_FINAL.pdf

There is no day-to-day charts, but as per Figure4.1 on page 46, total number of admissions to ICU in 2018 was 8882. Average of 24 patients at any given day. Most of patients were age 60 or older and 46% required ventilation.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267518#Comment_118267518

Perhaps wishful thinking, Leo will always require someone else to Blame and I certainly won't be forgiving him, MM and this utterly appalling Government for what has been abject and consistent failure in leadership skills , I didn't mention Eamonn Ryan, primarily because he's absolutely clueless and irrelevant almost to kind a word to describe him.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267464#Comment_118267464

Absolutely - it moved location I believe due to an increase in numbers expected and there looked to be a good (and peaceful) crowd at it, by that video - but not a sound of it anywhere. Says everything, doesn't it.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267518#Comment_118267518

I am not a fan - but I have said it before, at least Leo says something and is capable of challenging whoever he take sit into his head to challenge.You mightn't like what he says, but you generally know where he stands on things.Martin just bends whatever way the wind blows.We won't see this beginning to end until Martin is gone I'm afraid.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267548#Comment_118267548

It really , really does 🧐👌

JeffKenna

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267541#Comment_118267541

Not a fan of Leo at all but I've come to the conclusion he's the best of a bad lot. He tried to take NPHET on last October/November 2020, didn't end well for him but I respect him for trying.

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267478#Comment_118267478

Any posts from you when other countries were opening up and we weren't or do you only notice them when they introduce restrictions?

FoFo1254122

i hope those naive fools who are pro restrictions and lockdowns realise that hyperinflation is coming for us all and when it arrives next year you do not get to complain about it, you helped bring it

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267565#Comment_118267565

I do take your point but personally I believe Leo's and perhaps others in is party (Harris etc) have been partly to blame for the mix messaging that has prevailed now for an extraordinary length of time. It pretty much commenced when MM took over and its been relentless ever since albeit Harris curiously quite of late (not a bad thing at all)

I'm certainly not defending MM but I can't help but think there's been a concerted effort within government to undermine him albeit this doesn't take away from the fact he's clearly a Buffoon.

People once argued the national interest trumped FF & FG pulling out of this farce of a government, I'd suggest the national interest as in us the citizens have been taken for complete fools and primarily only because of self interest, not national interest by this shower of clowns . IMO of course 😏

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267576#Comment_118267576

Not just hyper inflation a serious kick in the B*****X for 1000's of small businesses already struggling with serious Rent arrears, Revenue Debts , disputes with insurance companies (still a serious issue that no one's talking about), redundancy costs . Government seem to think commercial rates waivers going to help, if businesses can barely afford to pay their rents or employee's, these waivers are utterly meaningless.

17larsson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267665#Comment_118267665

Luckily for me they haven't gone after my business's sector again yet but if they do I'll be pulling the plug.

I can't imagine what bars/restaurants/nightclubs and the countless businesses connected to them are going through at the moment. I wouldn't blame any of them if they decided to just wrap up

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267687#Comment_118267687

Must be a total nightmare Larsson. What do you do, keep throwing money at it when there is no sign of an end. Bad enough for the pubs with the uncertainty yet these nightclubs cannot possibly survive and they will have a job to sell them as a going concern because they are not. What do you do ?

Klonker

Michael Martin is so hard to like. He's lying to the public at the moment that these restrictions are due to Omicron variant. We all know these restrictions were coming, NPHET doesn't trust us to behave over Christmas (rightly or wrongly). But MM has no problem standing out in front us lying telling us how great of a job they're doing only for this new variant to come and scupper our plans.

I load of us said it on here at the time, we should have had next to no restrictions all summer but we were told no just another few months and all will be fine, this thing isn't seasonal. It's actually unbelievable when you think about it that we were still be fined thousands for leaving the country up to mid July! As soon as Winter comes then everyone agrees it's seasonal. It sounds like Leo finally realises this but its a year and a half too late.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267687#Comment_118267687

I have connections in the sector having spent 30 years in it and it's pretty Grim as it is . The past few months really was only about catch up and a slow one at that . I had a restaurant myself many years ago and my god I shudder to think what it would have been like trying to make rent, lease, tax payments if I was still in that business. I personally know 10 owners who not even scratch the surface dealing with legacy debt challenges, its honestly heart breaking .

Separately I know some in the Adventure centre sector , particularly children's play centres. Closed for 19 months, barely open a month and gov telling people to stay away. Serious rents owed and I can confidently say friends I've spoken to will, through absolutely no fault of theirs shut up shop shortly. It would seem the only way to get actual government support is set up a **** Panto production company and go on media outlets and moan, whinge and cry and seek attention.

FoFo1254122

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267665#Comment_118267665

Warehousing of revenue debt is going to be a big problem for businesses in due course as revenue are going to forgive **** all. And even the wage subsidy is going to be reviewed and they will go and recover as much as they can. revenue are sharpening their knives waiting for government to release them

Dempo1

So I'm heading for my booster shortly at my GP surgery, I need it as I'm immune compromised, I honestly never thought I'd even think about or even say it but after yesterday's rather depressing debacle, I'm actually beginning to wonder, what is the point really . Saying this or even thinking this way is shocking but I don't think I'm alone 😕

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267777#Comment_118267777

They absolutely are and it was very curious a report only 2 days ago that Revenue have reported a number of companies to the Gardai, essentially claiming blatant Robbery, not just Fraud. Separately the CRO told companies struggling to meet deadline for returns to go to the district court to seek extensions, I'm no company law expert but I agree the knives are being sharpened, not just over at revenue but also commercial Landlords Queuing up outside the High Court . I understand landlords have entitlements too but my god this is going to get very messy.

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267778#Comment_118267778

I remember when the covid pass was introduced and I believe there was no expiration date. Now it's a year, in some countries it's even less.

The deceit is just incredible really.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267737#Comment_118267737

There are lads in here that defended the summer restrictions to the very hilt. The recreational shills telling us that if staying closed for another 3 months meant we never had to close again it was worth it, that keeping bars shut just another few weeks to get jabs in arms was worth it, that the super duper vaccine rollout was going to be the end of it. And when you pointed out that delaying reopening until the end of October was a bad idea they called you a doom monger and whinger.

They didn't get it then, they won't get it now. They defended restrictions in the summer and they will try to hand wave them away again now.

BanditLuke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267778#Comment_118267778

The point is to protect yourself from a potentially lethal virus.