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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Just found out our school is abandoning pods as a result of no more contact tracing. I don't think the Dept mandated any change to pod system did it?



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    If you are not contact tracing why would you have pods?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    To try and limit spread. Found the dept advice, pods are still required where possible.

    Q. Do ‘pods’ still need to be organised and implemented?

    A. Yes. We have asked children to be in pods as per last year and that indoors these pods are kept in place as much as possible. This is to ensure that the number of people (adults and children) who are in close contact with a case of Covid-19 is as limited as possible, and therefore the risks to others (albeit that the risks are low within a class setting) are kept to the lowest number. This year we have asked that close friends might sit together to reflect national guidance that people are not as restricted in activities and play dates out of school and therefore it is important this occurs to further enable the number of close contacts and those at onward risk are kept as low as possible within the community.



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    The risk of infection may be reduced by structuring pupils and their teachers into Class Bubbles (i.e. a class grouping which stays apart from other classes as much as possible) and discrete groups or “Pods” within those class bubbles, to the extent that this is practical. If the class is divided into Pods, there should be at least (1m distance) between individual Pods within the Class Bubble and between individuals in the pod, whenever possible. Generally speaking the objective is to limit contact and sharing of common facilities between people in different Class Bubbles (and Pods within those Class Bubbles) as much as possible, rather than to avoid all contact between Pods, as the latter will not always be possible. The aim of the system within the school is that class grouping mix only with their own class from arrival at school in the morning until departure at the end of the school day. The Pods within those Class Bubbles is an additional measures, to limit the extent of close contact within the Class Bubble. Pod sizes should be kept as small as is likely to be reasonably practical in the specific classroom context. To the greatest extent possible, pupils and teaching staff should consistently be in the same Class Bubbles although this will not be possible at all times. Different Class Bubbles should where possible have separate breaks and meal times or separate areas at break or meal times (or this could be different class years i.e. 2nd class, 3rd class etc.) Sharing educational material between Pods should be avoided/minimised where possible.

    DOH guidance.

    All of which serves no practical value where contract tracing is not in place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There were 49 new outbreaks reported in schools in the week to last Saturday, 25 September, compared with 90 outbreaks the previous week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,928 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Was that before or after the changes re close contacts came in to play?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,279 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Now if we could just end the mask requirement in secondary schools, education would be largely back to normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    I'd imagine the decrease was largely thanks to isolating and testing asymptomatic kids. Having 10,000+ pupils out wasn't necessarily the right approach, but I'd argue did curtail outbreaks. Again, I imagine outbreaks will bounce right back up now, but now we won't know as we're not looking anymore.

    I just don't understand why there wasn't a middle ground, if you're going to scale back on the testing, invest in the HEPA filters, it's a fraction of the cost that has been spent on testing since schools returned, and would have given anxious parents like me a huge sense of relief. They're just better for kids health and concentration anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    They are scaling back as we are starting to hit a financial crisis again. The Covid cost was massive and some may say a bit OTT.

    Covid is now not as serious as it was before, hence the reopening program is always fully there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nah, it won't be as costly as you imagine. There's all that PUP and other payments to claw tax in from plus the non-PUP rate is at about 6.5%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,928 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen


    More than masks would need to go. Sanatising desks after every class/ staggered breaks/ base classrooms/ return of lockers/ windows open all day/ classroom doors open/ full capacity classes/ removal of social distancing etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Most of these things don't exist in primary school. Masks and open windows is about the extent of it. Desks are washed and cleaned at the end of the day. But during the day things continue as they always have. I'd love mask wearing to be optional at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Oh ya I'm aware of that, I was just referring to secondary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    C02 monitors removed from a secondary school in the locality as the students were constantly blowing into them, between classes, so the monitor would go red and they'd have to leave class 😊😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    sO funny .., I know I shouldn’t laugh but.. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,435 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    And first years trying to fart on them to see if they can turn red.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    What can you do except laugh.🤣They were a silly idea to start with.Clearly dreamed up by people who never entered schools once they finished!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ^^ That's what I'm thinking. You can only laugh.

    After all the consternation about them, of course the kids were going to mess with them.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    It also somehow brings a degree of reality and common sense to over-zealous H&S efforts being imposed in an effort to "manage" covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Yeah I just looked it up as I’m in the same situation. One with a temp and upset tummy for a day and it passed, but had her tested and I’m at home with three perfectly well children as the school goers can’t go in until the result. I antigen tested her and it was negative but it was the temperature that gave me the heebeejeebies, I know a few kids who got it recently and only had a temp. I am a SAHM but I have great sympathy for working parents, it must be a nightmare right now because kids are getting everything going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    Oh crap my 11yr old just told me she got the one in her room to go red today..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    we suspended a child in our school for breathing on them. rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Had that child been caught breathing on them before and how old was the 'child' ?

    I must admit it sounds harsh to suspend a child for that. Some children in our school are serially disruptive but never get suspended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    No they don't. They would only have had to restrict movements if the close contact developed symptoms.

    My daughter was a close contact in September and had to restrict movements but the information from the school and HSE did not say that people who lived in the house had to restrict movements.

    I kept her older sibling out of secondary school until we got the test result but I wasn't obliged to.

    The HSE website has the following information :If you live with someone who is restricting their movements, you do not need to restrict your movements as long as they do not have any symptoms of COVID-19.

    and the information from the HSE and department of education has the following information:

    Q: Can family members of a pupil/student/staff member (who has been identified as a close contact) attend school?

    A: Yes, as long as the family members have not also been designated close contacts by HSE Public Health. Only the pupil/student/staff member who is a close contact needs to restrict her/his movements, even though she/he has no symptoms. However, no other family member is required to do so and can still attend school – unless also identified as a close contact by HSE Public Health. If however, the pupil/student/staff member who is a close contact develops symptoms of Covid-19, then they are a suspected case of Covid-19 and should now self-isolate and contact their GP, explaining that they have been identified as a close contact of a confirmed case of Covid-19 and that they now have symptoms too. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    I realized today that an (unvaccinated) child in school has been attending school while a parent at home has Covid, I just can’t believe someone would do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭marilynrr




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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I admit I would never do that either -but do they have symptoms and does the advice say they can all go about their business if there is no symptoms in a vaccinated person??

    Repeating that I would absolutely never do that myself tbh.



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