Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118092947#Comment_118092947

Yes they are definitely juking the stats months in advance of the vaccine possibly or maybe not being approved for that age group. Definitely.

shesty

Interestingly, it may suggest that kids were not actually an issue all along - vaccines have supressed numbers in adults so we can see a good picture of incidence in kids as adults go about a "normal" life.(I refer to adults there because their decisions on what to do day to day often dictates who kids come into contact with).

It appears as an issue now, because incidence is lower everywhere else, but it took vaccines to lower adult cases.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118092947#Comment_118092947

They may have been lowest all along because people weren't socialising as normal, therefore their kid's contacts were limited.Indicating it probably does spread easiest among adults.

CruelSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118093470#Comment_118093470

Children were at school last year interacting & mixing. They still remained the group with the lowest incidence.

shesty

Yes, that would be my point

Vaccinated30

Who cares if its spreading in children. Children were never a risk. We closed schools to protect elderly and vulnerable. So unless your child is vulnerable and unvaccinated then dont worry about it. Unless you worry about the Common cold which kills Millions of children every year, then dont worry about covid. So many people conditioned is actually a pandemic in itself.

the corpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118096626#Comment_118096626

"Unless you worry about the common cold which kills millions of children every year"

Eh, what? No, it doesn't. I'm not sure you can even find stats for how many deaths are attributed to the common cold each year, which would be a tiny portion of deaths from flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

Covid so far has killed 5 million people worldwide, with massive lockdowns and mitigation measures in place. Those same measures saw the US suffer 700 flu deaths in the most recent flu season (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/). In Ireland we've only just recorded a handful of flu cases.

political analyst

I wonder what percentage of primary school pupils will be absent tomorrow in the aftermath of Hallowe'en parties.

Vaccinated30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098361#Comment_118098361

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/11/12-0607_article#:~:text=Human%20rhinovirus%20is%20an%20underappreciated,in%20developing%20countries%20(1).

Abstract

During an outbreak of severe acute respiratory infections in 2 orphanages, Vietnam, 7/12 hospitalized children died. All hospitalized children and 26/43 children from outbreak orphanages tested positive for rhinovirus versus 9/40 control children (p = 0.0005). Outbreak rhinoviruses formed a distinct genetic cluster. Human rhinovirus is an underappreciated cause of severe pneumonia in vulnerable groups.

The World Health Organization estimates that ≈2 million children die each year from acute respiratory tract infection (ARI), and most live in developing countries (1). Human rhinovirus (HRV), a common cause of mild upper respiratory tract infections, may also cause severe ARI in children.

Rhinovirus. The common cold.

Messi19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098415#Comment_118098415

Yeah they'll all be too f***ed and hungover

Sammy2012

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098415#Comment_118098415

My kids had a lovely Halloween with their friends and they'll go into school as normal with with tomorrow. What does it matter if they have a party with them as they are in school with them anyway! Was lovely to see the children out trick or treating this evening. Just like normal.

mohawk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098361#Comment_118098361

It’s likely hard to know for sure how many die from the common cold especially when it’s rarely tested for and sequenced. Depending on how a death is recorded then death could be put down to asthma or pneumonia etc and not a cold.

It might seem unlikely but the common cold can trigger life threatening asthma attacks in children.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098415#Comment_118098415

9 of 28 missing in ours today for whatever reason, might have been sleeping off the sugar.

Sammy2012

We had a covid inspection today. Absolute joke. Checked signage, asked the same 5 questions to all the teachers, peaked into classrooms to ensure children were in their magical pods and left.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118104944#Comment_118104944

Half of the kids in my eldest's class were sick during the midterm. A handful were still not back Monday. I know of at least 5 who were tested and all were negative. There is aonther virus going around you know.

Theboinkmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118098361#Comment_118098361

Quoting how many PEOPLE flu kills each year or how many PEOPLE COVID has killed is irrelevant to his point and on a school thread.

His point basically is - children are very low risk from COVID so let it rip (to some extent). High cases in schools in 5-12 year olds isn't much to be worried about once vulnerable and elderly people are protected via a booster vaccine now.

Tigerandahalf

Does anyone know how long children should stay away from primary school if a vaccinated parent tests positive?

All kids have tested negative and the other parent negative as well (pcr tests). Is it 2 weeks from the positive test? What if you have negative anti-gen tests. Our kids will end up missing 3 weeks of school because of it, possibly, as there was initially coughs going around and we decided to keep them at home.

How long can this be sustained? They could pick it up again in 3 months and have to miss more school.

Really think they need to start looking more at anti-gen tests.

Thanks

Lisha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118128758#Comment_118128758

Unvaccinated children should stay away from school for 2weeks after their last contact with positive person.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118128758#Comment_118128758

Unfortunately i think it is 2 weeks.

It is silly.... several families who are friends have been through this, and you basically end up wanting them to test positive so that it can just get over and done with.In addition, it is the smallest child who has brought it in both cases, so the healthy kids are then locked in 24/7 with the sick child for 17 days, basically meaning they are almost sure to catch it, which surely goes against the whole idea of not passing it on.It all seems ridiculous when you see it first hand to be honest.

Tigerandahalf

We have been told that the other adult who is negative is basically free to do what they want as they are vaccinated. This seems a bit strange as we know that vaccinated people can pass it on.

I am not happy about the amount of school time our kids are missing.

Like we know now that the virus is not going away and everyone is going to end up getting a booster plus there is an anti-viral pill on the way. So why are we stopping kids going to school when very few of them are being affected by it.

I can understand staff in schools may be worried but with the numbers in schools it is pretty much impossible not to pick it up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118128830#Comment_118128830

You think heading to school for a few hours will avoid children picking it up from siblings?

shesty

Yeah @Tigerandahalf some aspects of the situation are hard to understand.Also as I understand it, it is 17 days at home from the positive test for the other kids in the house,which seems to be a very long time - lots of people are realising they would get out sooner if they tested positive, which seems strange. A lot of school to miss on top of 2 previous years already, especially if it happens more than once.

titan18

I know of someone who tested positive and HSE said for the kid to go to school despite living in the house so not sure that 2 weeks is being followed everywhere.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130972#Comment_118130972

If an older kid and they are vaccinated this is correct, or if previously infected

JP Liz V1

6000 students out with Covid19 according to VM1 news

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147541#Comment_118147541

How many more are out waiting on tests or test results that will ultimately be negative?

Ours will miss 3-4 days this week for something I'm fairly certain is only a cold.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147553#Comment_118147553

I thought 24 hours was test result turnaround

It's 6000 not 600 my mistake

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147567#Comment_118147567

It might be 24 hours, but because of the volume of cases, the earliest appointment I could get yesterday morning at 9am in our county or neighbouriing counties was for 12:30 today. I spent a frustrating 30 minutes refreshing 6 centres locations to try to get one of the same-day cancellations that would occasionally show up, but to no avail.

If results take 24 hours, then no school tomorrow either, 3 days.

People on the testing thread reporting longer than 24 hour turnaround also.

shesty

It's 3 days.

A day waiting because you can't get a same-day test, the day of the test, then the 3rd day is waiting for the results.If you're lucky, 24 hours.If not, then a 4th day when it runs over 24 hours.

It's a total and complete pain if you are keeping kids home for the 3rd or 4th time in a row, or trying to get a doctor's appointment for a sick child (which is also a 2 day wait now generally).You wouldn't want to have an emergency.The whole thing is a joke.Except it's not funny at all.

shesty

To come back to this @titan18 , I have since heard that totally conflicting advice seems to be given out.Two families I know were told the siblings must stay home for 17 days from the negative test of the sick child.Two other families were told the siblings could return to school after Day 10, with a negative test at days 5 & 10.

So, yeah....