Heavyweight Boxing

Anyone now who AJ had in sparring with him ?

I love the story that Wlad wouldn't let Usyk spar him during media days, he would give Usyk the day off as he was making Wlad look bad,

I think there is a lot to talk about wit this one, Aj wasn't really good at all on Saturday , He was poor,

AJ leave us with lots of question , he himself said they changed alot for this fight,

Why slim down so much, Why try to box , Why not rough him up , why not use your strength , Why did his corner keep saying he was doing great ,

I know he can be a absolute melt at times but Fury is lucky to have his Dad around calls it straight & never afraid to tell Tyson what he thinks

He main reason he got rid of even Davison & got Sugar onboard, Even recently telling him he has to many yes men in the states & to get back to Morcambe to put the real work in ,Aj could do with someone who isn't there to just gas him up

AJ wasn't poor at all. He was competitive against an elite fighter. I suppose some of it depends on how highly you rate Usyk too. Going in I expected Usyk to win by stoppage. I was impressed that Joshua boxed 12 competitive rounds at that high a level (even though he lost the fight itself clear).

If Joshua hadn't slimmed down so much I'd think he'd have been stopped late. Probably was the difference in his gas tank holding up or him getting stopped so I can completely see why he did that.

Trying to box may well have gave him the best chance of winning. He's not Derek Chisora and he never will be. He doesn't have the engine to stick to a fighters chest and make the ring small. Never has done.

The tactic was definitely to survive 12, be semi competitive and hope they steal it on the cards. Hence the corner screaming "brilliant" at any small bit of success to try to influence the judging. These are the sort of tactics you have to resort to when facing elite opposition.

They never wanted to fight Usyk hence why they tried so desperately to make the Fury fight last year and to cash out there and then. I was shocked they didn't vacate the belt tbh but obviously Joshua had too much pride to do that so fair dues I suppose.

I didn't say he was poor i said he wasn't really good and he wasn't ,

Usyk performed brilliantly but AJ has to show & give more than that, His tactics and game plan where all wrong slim down to box the boxer ,

He had to go out early & show Usyk who the big man was, As Roy Jones put it you got to show him its your block & your the big dog , once you let Usyk get's a flying start your in trouble,

Fury & Roy before both said AJ has to go put it on him early & both are correct, It was just all wrong tactically , Aj knows this himself hence why he was so adamant he wants the rematch, He knows the approached it wrong ,

I had to laugh at Whyte saying AJs a "weirdo " for fighting like that , never the most elegant with his word ,

Awful spectacle , Awful performance by Wlad (never figured it out or tried anything different ) , Brilliant performance by Fury ,

Was awful looking alright but extremely effective by Fury.

Funny how Wlad had no issue pulling the trigger against a perceived bigger puncher than Fury in Joshua soon after though.

Good footwork can often spook someone far more than big power.

Doesn't have to be a slugger ,he is more than capable of being more aggressive & assertive & critically have more intensity ,

He caught Usyk several times with big shot's but then stood off, He simply had to let his hands go more when that happened, No one is talking about being reckless,

He will 100% come into the next fight heavier & more assertive & with more intensity , He may not win but he will have a better chance of winning ,

As you correctly pointed out he had no chance to outbox him like he tried ,

Usyk is great & performed well, but you only have to look at his face to see AJ had joy he just never put the foot down & followed up

AJ had a stinker on Saturday he really did, He can 100% perform better but will it be enough to win probably not

I agree Usyk is better

With commitment though as you'd say yourself?

Wlad threw double the power punches against Joshua than he did v Fury.

Yes....agreed..

But different opponents and styles and sizes etc can lead to different approaches etc. I wouldn't get bogged down over-analyzing here..

Fury won. The spectacle for me was poor.

I hope the rematch happens then just so Joshua can come out gun-ho and get beat even more emphatically.

You know you’re in trouble when you’re relying on a game plan you simply won't be able to properly implement.

Derek Chisora pulled the wool over a lot of eyes!

He doesn't have to be gung ho at all. He simply needs more spite and passion and commitment on his offense. That doesn't mean reckless, gung ho or any other risky type approach.

Also, huge change mentality and approach on his clinching and in-close work. That was absolutely stinkingly poor from him.

Chisora didn't pull the wool over my eyes, (not saying you mean me) as I referenced several times how he is a completely different style, and how his style would likely always cause Usyk issues

Just opens up two of his biggest flaws in his chin and his gas tank to be exposed further by an elite fighter.

Could micro-analyse it forever but whichever approach he takes he's not beating Usyk. He's just not good enough, that's it.

Yes, but if he charged you with training him for the rematch, would you offer no change, and juts tell him he is not good enough?

Surely you can spot/see areas where he can improve, and give himself a better chance in a rematch?

Well if I was advising him I'd have advised him to drop the belt instead of fighting Usyk in the first place. I'd now be steering clear of the rematch tbh.

It's an impossible job for a trainer trying to implement a tactic that a fighter won't be able to pull off. I'm not sure if Joshua can really improve much on that performance to be honest. In the situation with the fight being in London with Howard Foster judging etc I don't really have any issue with the tactics. Probably gave him his best chance to win.

Either way though, if there's a rematch he's getting beat again.

john fury is a boxing man but tyson doesnt listen to him as much as john likes to make out, john told him not to fight wilder the first time and told him he would end up in hospital or worse and refused to speak to him for months, and as for ben leaving that was because fury wanted to add the kronk style to his camp because tyson could see that is what would beat wilder and keep ben too but ben decided not to play second fiddle.

he has to rematch usyk or he will start losing brands that sponsor him, what is the plan if he swerves usyk then ? just fighting for pay cheque to pay cheque like chisora

it is surely all about being world champion and if he isnt that and hes not going to fight for it against usyk then what good is he ?

Aye he was backed into a corner and I would have lambasted him if he dropped the belt and ducked the fight but it was the obvious smart move from a career perspective. Canelo dropped his belt to duck a prime GGG but nobody mentions that anymore.

Joshua should've dropped the belt, fought in a tune-up and then cashed out against Fury for ten times the money he probably made taking a loss to Usyk.

Guys, him and Usyk will rematch Feb/March/April 2022, and hopefully then the winner faces whomever wins Oct 9...

For me there is eff all else of real interest.....

Too much analyzing here. It' a boxing match. A rematch. Been happening for centuries. Sometimes the loser comes back and wins/loses/draws.

AJ strikes me a s a person who really wants the chance to give it another try here.

Who we all got in Fury v Wilder,

Wilder such a bollox to pick against just one is all he needs ,

For his talk of a death on his record i hope he gets flattened in every fight he ever has ,

So difficult a call due to the punch power of Wilder....I am 0-3 with Fury in big fights, and 0-4 overall. I think Fury can negate Wilder and smother him for the stoppage...

But, something tells me that Wilder wants this so so so much, and this may mean we see a ridiculously committed and focused Wilder

There should be no surprise if Wilder KOs Fury. Dislike both them, but Fury a wee bit more!!!

Wilder is finished folks, his aura is gone,

Fury will walk through him this time around even more comprehensively.

As well as worrying about Furys speed and movement he now also has the added concern that Fury can and will hurt him, his only chance is a punchers chance and i dont see Fury giving him that chance.

the previous fight was so one-sided, so utterly dominated by Fury, it's really difficult to see a different result in the forthcoming fight. Sure Wilder has a puncher's chance but Fury didn't give him any opportunities to get a punch near him last time; it's only likely to be different this time if Fury isn't fully committed (which is always a possibility).

He actually did, Wilder landed a huge right hand in the first or second i can't recall but Fury said it hurt like f*ck , he manged to just roll it enough ,

This is true