Heavyweight Boxing

The lack of fire & passion is his corner is AJ own doing,

It ties in with the absolute bullshit he goes on with trying to be wise & zen like ,Its a manufactured persona he tried to create because he's boring ,

We are technical & precious with everything we do is thought out with deeper meaning ,He needed to be raw & rough way to laid back ,

Look at Fury v Wilder 2 Fury came out with purpose , aggression & passion showed Widler who was boss but while still having to be alert & clever , AJ needs to get that back ,

Usyk kind played him m he was clam & laid back & respectful all week but once the first bell went he got out and after it with a fire in his belly ,

Fury came with all that against probably the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time, you cant teach bravery.

He's not pillow fisted, but not heavy handed either. Wilder was still standing and lucid at the stoppage. This will give Wilder a lot of hope Oct 9

Ref Usyk-Fury.....Yes, I think style wise Fury is the worst style for Usyk. He's very big, strong, heavy, and a boxer/mover.

Think since joining sugar hill hes planting the feet more when delivering power shots, the thump that knocked wilder on the side of the head had some bang of it on the replays. TBH i think that and the body shot that floored wilder was a surprise to wilder, the stoppage ,fury was missing not connecting that clean i thought at that moment.

What you say makes sense & fighting sense but and its a big but what makes financial sense ,

Eddie Hearn just signed him up to a lift time deal if he loses the rematch the gravy train will take a massive hit,

I wonder will they try to talk him into going to beat someone like a Whyte before going for the re-match, Just to get the most cash possible or in normal Hearn style match him with Wilder if Fury beats Wilder ,

Question is if he's still adaptable. For me it's a bit like the change of mindset Wlad went through. You're the bigger man, why take risks? Why walk into something? Let the other guy do the work, let him take risks. Thing is Wlad's horrible clinching made that work whereas AJ still gives the ref an easy night's work.

Changing the strategy with the trainer is all well and good, but it all depends on whether or not he mentally has the ability to do it.

Anyone now who AJ had in sparring with him ?

I love the story that Wlad wouldn't let Usyk spar him during media days, he would give Usyk the day off as he was making Wlad look bad,

I think there is a lot to talk about wit this one, Aj wasn't really good at all on Saturday , He was poor,

AJ leave us with lots of question , he himself said they changed alot for this fight,

Why slim down so much, Why try to box , Why not rough him up , why not use your strength , Why did his corner keep saying he was doing great ,

I know he can be a absolute melt at times but Fury is lucky to have his Dad around calls it straight & never afraid to tell Tyson what he thinks

He main reason he got rid of even Davison & got Sugar onboard, Even recently telling him he has to many yes men in the states & to get back to Morcambe to put the real work in ,Aj could do with someone who isn't there to just gas him up

AJ wasn't poor at all. He was competitive against an elite fighter. I suppose some of it depends on how highly you rate Usyk too. Going in I expected Usyk to win by stoppage. I was impressed that Joshua boxed 12 competitive rounds at that high a level (even though he lost the fight itself clear).

If Joshua hadn't slimmed down so much I'd think he'd have been stopped late. Probably was the difference in his gas tank holding up or him getting stopped so I can completely see why he did that.

Trying to box may well have gave him the best chance of winning. He's not Derek Chisora and he never will be. He doesn't have the engine to stick to a fighters chest and make the ring small. Never has done.

The tactic was definitely to survive 12, be semi competitive and hope they steal it on the cards. Hence the corner screaming "brilliant" at any small bit of success to try to influence the judging. These are the sort of tactics you have to resort to when facing elite opposition.

They never wanted to fight Usyk hence why they tried so desperately to make the Fury fight last year and to cash out there and then. I was shocked they didn't vacate the belt tbh but obviously Joshua had too much pride to do that so fair dues I suppose.

I didn't say he was poor i said he wasn't really good and he wasn't ,

Usyk performed brilliantly but AJ has to show & give more than that, His tactics and game plan where all wrong slim down to box the boxer ,

He had to go out early & show Usyk who the big man was, As Roy Jones put it you got to show him its your block & your the big dog , once you let Usyk get's a flying start your in trouble,

Fury & Roy before both said AJ has to go put it on him early & both are correct, It was just all wrong tactically , Aj knows this himself hence why he was so adamant he wants the rematch, He knows the approached it wrong ,

I had to laugh at Whyte saying AJs a "weirdo " for fighting like that , never the most elegant with his word ,

Awful spectacle , Awful performance by Wlad (never figured it out or tried anything different ) , Brilliant performance by Fury ,

Was awful looking alright but extremely effective by Fury.

Funny how Wlad had no issue pulling the trigger against a perceived bigger puncher than Fury in Joshua soon after though.

Good footwork can often spook someone far more than big power.

Doesn't have to be a slugger ,he is more than capable of being more aggressive & assertive & critically have more intensity ,

He caught Usyk several times with big shot's but then stood off, He simply had to let his hands go more when that happened, No one is talking about being reckless,

He will 100% come into the next fight heavier & more assertive & with more intensity , He may not win but he will have a better chance of winning ,

As you correctly pointed out he had no chance to outbox him like he tried ,

Usyk is great & performed well, but you only have to look at his face to see AJ had joy he just never put the foot down & followed up

AJ had a stinker on Saturday he really did, He can 100% perform better but will it be enough to win probably not

I agree Usyk is better

With commitment though as you'd say yourself?

Wlad threw double the power punches against Joshua than he did v Fury.

Yes....agreed..

But different opponents and styles and sizes etc can lead to different approaches etc. I wouldn't get bogged down over-analyzing here..

Fury won. The spectacle for me was poor.