But is his punch power gone? That is the key.....likely not. And for this reason, he is considered a live underdog.
Saw a video of Fury in training just now on twitter and he looks in terrible shape. Easily 20+ Stone if not closer to 300lbs.
Yes sure but what do you perceive his strengths to be? All well and good displaying aggression and "putting more spite/intent on your shots" But being able to do this is entirely dependent on your ability to do so and who you are fighting.
Its a bit like rueing the opportunity your mate (who scored 20 goals in division 2) had, when he played against Virgil Van Dijk and didn't get a kick. It's all about levels.
Joshua should have dropped the belt, told everyone he has no interest in cruiserweights and hung on for Fury payday if he was smart. There us no way for him to beat Usyk. Some folks seem to think with his lack of stamina he should train for 3 rounds in the hope of taking Usyk out early.
Usyk isn't getting KO'd he is too smart. The complete lack of fear Usyk had when bell went should be the thing that psyches AJ out the most, they have his number.
I agree with you both that Usyk is a better fighter than AJ & he outclassed AJ
I also think its correct to say AJ went about the fight in the wrong manner & could do it differently to give himself a better chance of wining that not saying it works but at least he'd have a chance,
Every on here knows iv never been a fan of AJ but surely you can still see how he didn't fight to his own strengths ,Now it might not have mattered but it made no sense for him to fight the way he did,
I think most poster realise how good Usyk was & what happened but also where baffled at AJ's approach & how he just stuck with it, Go out on your shield trying to win
This is true
Your analysis is spot on. Cannot for the life of me understand the mentality people have that Joshua "left that one behind". He was outclassed.
Like yourself, I actually posted on here that Usyk wins this convincingly. Joshua has not faced a peak elite fighter in order to gauge his level. He is a one dimensional HW, extremely vulnerable due to the worst combination of suspect chin and lack of a 12 round gas tank.
It was inevitable that Usyk was going to make him work for every minute of every round. Usyk and his team watched this guy and knew his weaknesses. He was more aggressive here than against Chisora so that is saying something.
So many people blinkered when it comes to Joshua it's unbelievable. He is what he is, top 3 HW from this generation but the fact he can be beaten multiple ways is a huge black mark against him.
Wlad had no chin but his IQ allowed him to have success fighting by protecting it. Joshua for me has no chin, no stamina and no ring IQ under pressure and those are some pretty key components to be lacking.
Some highlight reel KOs against Dillian Whyte, washed up Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev, Martin, Breazeale etc... Don't change my mind. If anything it's brilliant work by match room to generate that kind of hype, but it's a really crap talent pool when youre staying away from Fury and Wilder.
First serious world class name and he was outclassed.
Unfortunately he's just not that good.
He actually did, Wilder landed a huge right hand in the first or second i can't recall but Fury said it hurt like f*ck , he manged to just roll it enough ,
well you say that but it hasnt been the case against fury, he caught him clean in the 12th in the first fight with another flush shot as he fell and he still got up.
the previous fight was so one-sided, so utterly dominated by Fury, it's really difficult to see a different result in the forthcoming fight. Sure Wilder has a puncher's chance but Fury didn't give him any opportunities to get a punch near him last time; it's only likely to be different this time if Fury isn't fully committed (which is always a possibility).
All its takes is one ,
Wilder is finished folks, his aura is gone,
Fury will walk through him this time around even more comprehensively.
As well as worrying about Furys speed and movement he now also has the added concern that Fury can and will hurt him, his only chance is a punchers chance and i dont see Fury giving him that chance.
I don't think Wilders chance of winning have changed since the last fight or even if he is focused or not for him its always going to be just about landing one big shot,
I think Fury has to do what he done last time and that's get on top of Wilder & tire him so that big shots not available after 3 rounds, One thng is Wilder knows what's coming now ,
Iv seen loads of clips of Wilder's camp & I'm convinced Scott is a con man ,
Everything time you hear him speak to Wilder everything is amazing you go , your the best, just gassing him up like he is talking to a kid trying a new sport for the first time, I also seen Wilder say Scott has thought me nothing he has just helped him remember things that's what your dealing with with Wilder an EGO out of control.
Scott been in his camp for years just can't see him changing things enough ,He probably just seen a chance to get paid & knew all he had to do was constantly stroke Wilder's ego to keep the job ,
So difficult a call due to the punch power of Wilder....I am 0-3 with Fury in big fights, and 0-4 overall. I think Fury can negate Wilder and smother him for the stoppage...
But, something tells me that Wilder wants this so so so much, and this may mean we see a ridiculously committed and focused Wilder
There should be no surprise if Wilder KOs Fury. Dislike both them, but Fury a wee bit more!!!
Hard to know where either fighters head is really at but can't pick against Fury. Think he might do it lop-sided on points this time.
Fury > Usyk >>>>Wilder >> Joshua
Who we all got in Fury v Wilder,
Wilder such a bollox to pick against just one is all he needs ,
For his talk of a death on his record i hope he gets flattened in every fight he ever has ,
It is funny when the A-side thinks they're being clever putting an immediate rematch clause in the contract only to realise they've now backed themselves into a corner and have no way clear way out of a rematch they won't win. Should’ve just left it as a standard mandatory, taken the loss and rebuilt from elsewhere.
Guys, him and Usyk will rematch Feb/March/April 2022, and hopefully then the winner faces whomever wins Oct 9...
For me there is eff all else of real interest.....
Too much analyzing here. It' a boxing match. A rematch. Been happening for centuries. Sometimes the loser comes back and wins/loses/draws.
AJ strikes me a s a person who really wants the chance to give it another try here.
Wouldn't surprise me if he decides to take a warm up fight instead of the rematch & hopes some else takes care of Usyk ,Very hard to duck the fight as champion but now he can say he needs one fight to get the fire back or some other bullsh*t
Losing to Usyk twice in a row could be really really damaging , he'd be completely out of titles shots for maybe 2 years depending on how the other fights go,
Aye he was backed into a corner and I would have lambasted him if he dropped the belt and ducked the fight but it was the obvious smart move from a career perspective. Canelo dropped his belt to duck a prime GGG but nobody mentions that anymore.
Joshua should've dropped the belt, fought in a tune-up and then cashed out against Fury for ten times the money he probably made taking a loss to Usyk.
drop the belt and do what though? fight fury? i suppose he makes more money but it would be a bigger beat down.
he has to rematch usyk or he will start losing brands that sponsor him, what is the plan if he swerves usyk then ? just fighting for pay cheque to pay cheque like chisora
it is surely all about being world champion and if he isnt that and hes not going to fight for it against usyk then what good is he ?
Don't they hate each other or something ?
Mad how right now its Mannys nephew that's teaching Fury how fight like a big man & Fury he already has the boxing ability to fall back on ,
john fury is a boxing man but tyson doesnt listen to him as much as john likes to make out, john told him not to fight wilder the first time and told him he would end up in hospital or worse and refused to speak to him for months, and as for ben leaving that was because fury wanted to add the kronk style to his camp because tyson could see that is what would beat wilder and keep ben too but ben decided not to play second fiddle.
It really would be terrible for his legacy to dodge fights, it would have been blatantly obvious and he would never leave it down, do the -rematch, get bet again, just acknowledge how good usyk is and move on, reckon usyk wont stay too long, talks about family alot. He has done it all.
Well if I was advising him I'd have advised him to drop the belt instead of fighting Usyk in the first place. I'd now be steering clear of the rematch tbh.
It's an impossible job for a trainer trying to implement a tactic that a fighter won't be able to pull off. I'm not sure if Joshua can really improve much on that performance to be honest. In the situation with the fight being in London with Howard Foster judging etc I don't really have any issue with the tactics. Probably gave him his best chance to win.
Either way though, if there's a rematch he's getting beat again.
Just thinking here lads would someone like Lennox Lewis not be a good option to come in and show Joshua how to box like a big man?
I know Joshua is not in Lewis's league ability wise but surely he could teach him a few things and get him mentally tougher and maybe improve him a bit the same way Manny Stewart improved Lewis.
Yes, but if he charged you with training him for the rematch, would you offer no change, and juts tell him he is not good enough?
Surely you can spot/see areas where he can improve, and give himself a better chance in a rematch?
Still a KO risk, and he already KO'd Whyte. Please, spare us....
I see no real benefit in wasting time with this type fight. Happens when? Spring to summer 2022? Then another 6-9 months at least to a Usyk rematch?
Wilder/Fury or Usyk next is the best for AJ and the best for us
Just opens up two of his biggest flaws in his chin and his gas tank to be exposed further by an elite fighter.
Could micro-analyse it forever but whichever approach he takes he's not beating Usyk. He's just not good enough, that's it.
I think a fight against Whyte would sell pretty well in the UK and would be less risky than the rematch.
