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Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I figured as much, I just thought I'd save your blushes by steering it back to a motorsports connection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Tsunoda explains he was surprised to get another year in F1 with Alpha Tauri. Didn't see\read the interview but sounds like he is being modest.

    Coulthard comes out and said "he should pack his little bag and go home, this is not the voice of a racing driver, after next year he has no place in F1".

    Seems a bit strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Bit harsh from Coultard maybe, I think Tsunoda had performed as expected, competitive with his teammate in a non competitive car and has prob done enough to get another chance! Coultard is old stock from back when it was a prerequisite to be a bit c*nty if you wanted to be an F1 driver. Nothing wrong with Tsu being honest…. Provided he’s a prick on track of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Do you think Tsunode has been competitive with Gasley? I don't think he's been within an ass's roar of Gasley this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭kksaints


    His debut and Baku are the only races where he's been remotely close to Gasly. He's lucky to get another year I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Jesus absolute brainfart from me! My bad! I was thinking he’s with Williams for god knows what reason 🙈 no he hasn’t been competitive with Gasly…. I take it all back😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    It's just Alfa seat 2 that's left isn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Technically Yep.


    But theres quite a lot of reports that Guanyu Zhou has bought that seat for 35m.


    It cant be announced until F2 season is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Makes sense for Haas to keep the 2 lads. This year's car isn't indicative of anything and it's all about next year for Haas. Schumacher has shown some potential, Mazepin hasn't shown much of anything good but he brings the money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tsunoda was never in any danger really. Unless RB decided to parachute Albon into the AT or bring back Kvyat again. Neither were likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,585 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Mazepin is on this week's Beyond the Grid. Comes across as quite normal and even likeable, surprisingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I would argue Albon is better than Tsunoda has been this season. But RB doesn't rate either Albon or Gasley so it's not surprising that they stuck with him through lack of options



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I too think Tsunoda is very lucky to get another year and understand where Coulthard is coming from. It's almost like Tsunado was hoping to be dropped and was surprised he was kept and he should have been very happy for that maybe praise the team and say he will do better instead he says he was surprised he was kept himself as he did not think he would be on the grid next year.

    It was a bit harsh from Coulthard but he said that at Monza.

    Tsunado should have just said he was surprised but then said what I said above.


    As for Haas I agree with keeping the two drivers. It would have been harsh to drop them but next year they and the team will have to do better.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Tsunoda was very quick in F2, Mazepin wasn't that quick at all. When Tsunoda came into F1 he did have a good race at the start but he is a little too hot headed, and is not thinking before he acts/speaks. He needs a mentor to give him the right focus, such as someone who is a past driver. Maybe Coultard should step up!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Imagine if Haas totally sacrifices the 2021 season, takes 2 years to develop the 2022 car, and they're still shyte when they rock up in 2022. They might as well sell to Mazepin and let him have a go at running it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Wouldn't be surprised either. However, there was a period of time where Haas were handy enough n the midfield, but I think their inexperience really showed once their car had baked in imbalances.

    I would like to see them do well, and for Schumacher to shine a bit more.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amazing how agile and dart-y the cars looked compared to now. Had a quick look and I think the speed out of the tunnel was roughly the same then as now.

    2005 fastest qualifying was 1:13.644 compared to 1:10.346 this year. Allowing for the rock-hard, grooved tyres then and the one-shot qualifying meaning the track didn't get as fast as it would now and it's one circuit cars are probably slower around now than 15 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes me too. I wonder how there method of doing things is going to work for next year as it really needed Ferrari to have some experience and designs of an old car that they could use. That's why they done OK in the beginning when they came in but next year will be different because they can not copy this years car and there is no previous car for next year. You would have to think they might be at a big disadvantage now but I hope to see them get back in the midfield somehow next year too as well as Alfa and Williams.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,030 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Miami Grand Prix will be on from the 6th - 8th of May next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Verstappen is taking the new engine so him and Leclerc will be starting from the back. Might make it interesting. How do they decide who starts dead last? Will it depend on quali? Leclerc's Ferrari looks quick in practice.

    Edit: I meant to put this in the race thread :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,086 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Presuming it's by qualifying, unless it's by order of who received the penalty more recently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    I think it's based on whoever takes their penalty first, as in goes to FIA and says we're putting in a new engine

    That's why these things often aren't confirmed until the last minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd presume it's a case of how many parts they replace. E.g. 10 places for ICE, 10 places for MGUK, 10 places for MGUH. Plus 3 places for verstappen. And then consider their qualification positions. So of they replace the same parts and verstappen qualifies more than 3 places ahead, thrnnid say max will start in 19th. But I could be wrong about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Here's some stats homework for you, since Gasly broke a long Mercedes-Benz/Ferrari/Red Bull hold on the top step, Alpha Tauri, Racing Point, Alpine and now McLaren have all had a taste of victory. Which of those teams has had the longest gap between victories? And just to be clear we are talking about Aston Martin>Racing Point>....>Jordan and Alpine>Renault >Lotus>...>Benetton and Alpha Tauri>Toro Rosso>Minardi and of course McLaren throughout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Racing point to Jordan, I would have thought. Great question though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Multiple teams with pitstop problems again at Sochi. Probably not all down to the ridiculous new regulations but there’s definitely been a very clear uptick in issues since they introduced the rule.

    It was introduced under the spurious justification of “safety”, but the amount of pitstops going awry and putting cars out of position and more likely to get into incidents is surely a sign they need to revisit this if safety was actually the true intention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Lotus won some races with Kimi in 2012 I believe. McLaren has wins that year too, it was an extremely competitive season. Williams had a win that year too so if they somehow pull off a victory they will have a similar gap.

    2008 at Monza was Toro Rosso’s last win, Vettel putting in one of the most impressive drives I’ve ever seen. 2008 was also Alfa Romeo / Sauber’s last win with Kubica in Canada, so would have a similar gap if they ever pull off the same feat again.

    The chaotic 2003 Brazilian GP that Fisichella won on countback after Alonso’s big crash would have been Jordan’s last win before a long spell in the wilderness under different owners, so the biggest gap would be for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Gasly won last season at Monza with AT, who were Toro Rossi before the rebrand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    We know, don't worry. 🙂 I'd love to take the time to count how many Grand Prix exactly between all those gaps but it's getting late and I've work in the morning.

    Re the pitstop saga. Yes it's annoying now but just give it time to settle in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Nearly 20 years of technology advancement, billions of dollars spent, and we’ve ended up with cars that look and sound far less spectacular, are much bigger and therefore less suited to wheel to wheel action, and are only barely faster around a lap which is mainly thanks to ultra wide tyres and the qualifying format.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yeah I was talking about their last win prior to the recent one, in terms of measuring the gap between wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Ah sorry, I missed that… thought you meant the last win in general! Yeah it prob would have been then yeah



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    lol

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭barryribs


    I was only thinking yesterday, with the minor regulation changes at the start of this year, I think everyone expected another repeat of 2019, 2020 but this has been the best season since 2012 in my opinion. The midfield have closed the gap to the front two and there's nothing between the top two teams. I had Hamilton nailed on as world champion but his habit of making unforced errors (pit lane Q3, restart in Baku, Tosa in Imola) when he is under pressure has resurfaced again.

    I am a little worried that Red Bull are putting everything into this year (and rightly so) to win the championship and have too much on their plate between the Honda withdrawal and reg changes for next year, but if you'd have offered me a season like this in March, I would have taken your hand off for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Just enjoy this one while you can and let next year sort itself out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Agreed this season has been the best in years….! How many races have come down to the last few laps?!? It’s been brilliant to see and regardless of who wins out in the end it has been the best I can remember in a long time! Full disclosure I’m a big Vettel fan and am rooting for Max for the WC, But no matter what happens from here it’s been unreal!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Here is on for yis...only one team has scored a 1-2 this year.

    McLaren.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,461 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    If Ric was matching Norris, McLaren would be having an amazing season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭klose


    To be fair to ricciardo he has had good pace since the summer break, two p4s and a P1 with a p11 in Holland. Granted, Belgium shouldn't really count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I think it's telling that nobody really described this race as a breakout event for Norris. I think he's shown all season that he has the skill and the balls to compete at the front. I think people are seeing that Sainz was probably better than he got credit for by matching Leclerc at ferrari and norris pretty much matched him last year. And now he's comprehensively beating Ric this season.

    I think he's already acknowledged as part of the group of top drivers and given the car, would probably have all it takes to compete for the championship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Norris has been a class act this season . Even better for him Mclaren know they can lead races on merit which in turn helps us for viewing for the remaining races.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭Cool_CM




  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was wondering about that 3 week gap just yesterday, especially with Brazil possibly making it a 4 week gap. Though it seems like for now even countries getting hit hard with Covid are just getting on with things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭klose


    So that's Miami, Saudi Arabia and now Qatar all added to future calenders, I assume some races are going to be getting the snip, who will it be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,030 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Triple header in November (Mexico-Brazil-Qatar) if all those races go ahead.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    1 week to get from Brazil to Qatar they're Nealy the exact opposite of the world. Don't understand the logic of certain run of races sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    They have “A”,”B” and sometimes even “C” rigs that leapfrog throughout the season! Basically they have two or three of everything so for example, when the Mexican GP finishes, everything you see in the pit Lane (with the exception of cars themselves and a small number of other items) will be packed up and shipped to Qatar and not Brazil and the stuff used in Brazil will be sent to whatever race is after Qatar so they only have a much smaller amount of gear to move quickly.

    It’s the exact same way big bands go on a world tour with a number of stages all leapfrogging gig to gig



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