Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

duploelabs

Captain_Crash

duploelabs wrote: »

That gives me unpure thoughts! I need to say a few Hail Marys!!

Jordan 199

I had to order one of the limited edition Gulf McLaren t-shirts. I should have it sometime today :cool:

Cookie_Monster

is the amended chicane after the tunnel from Formula E a couple of weeks ago being kept or does this revert to previous F1 version?

Captain_Crash

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

is the amended chicane after the tunnel from Formula E a couple of weeks ago being kept or does this revert to previous F1 version?

Looks like the previous version!

El_Duderino 09

If they got rid of that chicane then there would be a decent overtaking opportunity.

TCP/IP

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I had to order one of the limited edition Gulf McLaren t-shirts. I should have it sometime today :cool:

Just went to pickup a T-shirt and hoodie all the nice ones sold out but see they expect another supply later in the year.

flazio

The f1 cars are stretched limos compared to Formula E so they'd never make it around the tighter chicane. I mentioned in their thread that FE are more reliant on harder braking zones then ICE formulas because of the energy regeneration from braking which is needed to complete the 45 minutes time limit hence why you get the tighter chicanes on any track.

MadYaker

Every time people mention chicanes I hear that radio message from Alonso in my head where he complains about someone cutting “the chicken”

El_Duderino 09

Feels strange not to have the F1 to listen to on a Friday. I've gotten used to listening to the practice sessions as a Friday treat in work.

ELM327

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If they got rid of that chicane then there would be a decent overtaking opportunity.

If they got rid of the chicane and it was just one long straight down to the swimming pool complex, is it a hard enough braking zone for overtaking?

ELM327

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Feels strange not to have the F1 to listen to on a Friday. I've gotten used to listening to the practice sessions as a Friday treat in work.

Same.
Doesnt seem like a race weekend if I'm not watching FP1/2 during work!

mickdw

ELM327 wrote: »

If they got rid of the chicane and it was just one long straight down to the swimming pool complex, is it a hard enough braking zone for overtaking?

Isnt it there as a speed limiter due to lack of any runnoff. I know they opened up something in that area in the last number of years to improve distance to barrier but i cant see them changing track layout. Thats a classic monaco overtaking area and pretty difficult so i wouldnt like to see it go.

Oafley Jones

Anyone have recommendations for travelling to next years Monaco GP? There's some amount of packages and "experiences" for it. Seems like the potential to be ripped off is high. I've no interest in being on a yacht with some influencers or some BS.

klose

This deleda kid in F2 didn't make the 107% cut in qualifying but was allowed race, currently over a minute off the leader after 15 laps

El_Duderino 09

ELM327 wrote: »

If they got rid of the chicane and it was just one long straight down to the swimming pool complex, is it a hard enough braking zone for overtaking?

The answer is probably "maybe" as opposed to now where the answer is "definitely not".

The track just isn't suitable and should be dropped. It's important as a commercial event so the teams should have a jolly-up in Monaco and schmoose sponsors, bring them to boat parties or casino parties and make the drivers pretend to be their friend, or whatever they want to do to get money out of them. But there doesn't need to be a joke race on such an unsuitable track, just o schmoose sponsors

RunningFlyer

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Anyone have recommendations for travelling to next years Monaco GP? There's some amount of packages and "experiences" for it. Seems like the potential to be ripped off is high. I've no interest in being on a yacht with some influencers or some BS.

Book it all yourself. Stay in Nice. Get the train down or bus etc and home afterwards (beware taxi/uber prices shoot up!). Most trackside bars will offer reasonable enough packages for the Saturday/Sunday - prepare to spend about €100-200 Saturday or €250-400 per ticket on Sunday for the privilege. Usually includes lunch & bottle of wine each. Don't forget your spending money for the inevitable bar-crawl after the race!

If you've been looking at the experiences on yachts etc then those prices above won't seem too bad :pac:

Oafley Jones

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Book it all yourself. Stay in Nice. Get the train down or bus etc and home afterwards (beware taxi/uber prices shoot up!). Most trackside bars will offer reasonable enough packages for the Saturday/Sunday - prepare to spend about €100-200 Saturday or €250-400 per ticket on Sunday for the privilege. Usually includes lunch & bottle of wine each. Don't forget your spending money for the inevitable bar-crawl after the race!

If you've been looking at the experiences on yachts etc then those prices above won't seem too bad :pac:

What's does the night life look like then. Is it off putting with all high rollers, or does your standard punter hang around? Isn't this a city with a dress code? I'm sure'd they'd smell the pov off me.

RunningFlyer

Oafley Jones wrote: »

What's does the night life look like then. Is it off putting with all high rollers, or does your standard punter hang around? Isn't this a city with a dress code? I'm sure'd they'd smell the pov off me.

It's a carnival atmosphere, great vibe. I wouldn't say it's off-putting at all and to be honest most of the high rollers would typically be off to extravagant yacht parties or the Casino rather than the local Monaco bars.

There's probably a dress code for some of the fancy spots or later at night but most people are just out from the race so still in team jerseys etc. I've no idea what the place is like after midnight if you're looking for late-night shenanigans :pac:

Like anywhere, you can spend a fortune or be sensible. There are groups of girls/guys who are out seeking a free day out so be weary, although they realise quick enough who has money and who doesn't :pac::pac:

flazio

flazio wrote: »

The f1 cars are stretched limos compared to Formula E so they'd never make it around the tighter chicane. I mentioned in their thread that FE are more reliant on harder braking zones then ICE formulas because of the energy regeneration from braking which is needed to complete the 45 minutes time limit hence why you get the tighter chicanes on any track.

Was watching a video recently asking would an F1 car be faster than an IndyCar on an oval. Until recently the answer has always been a solid yes, assuming they developed a lower-downforce set-up. It made the point however that without big braking zones for regen the F1 cars now would be almost entirely reliant just on the V6 engine. Obviously then ya can ask well what if they lifted the fuel-flow limits. :pac: It's kinda interesting though just how limited the F1 cars are in some ways now.

MadYaker

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The answer is probably "maybe" as opposed to now where the answer is "definitely not".

The track just isn't suitable and should be dropped. It's important as a commercial event so the teams should have a jolly-up in Monaco and schmoose sponsors, bring them to boat parties or casino parties and make the drivers pretend to be their friend, or whatever they want to do to get money out of them. But there doesn't need to be a joke race on such an unsuitable track, just o schmoose sponsors

The importance of it as a commercial event is underpinned by the race that’s been happening there a very long time, I think if you took that away the sponsors wouldn’t be interested.

The people watching on tv are the only people who don’t enjoy Monaco and even then I wouldn’t be surprised if it has more eyes on it than most other races.

donspeekinglesh

ELM327 wrote: »

If they got rid of the chicane and it was just one long straight down to the swimming pool complex, is it a hard enough braking zone for overtaking?

the corner after the chicane is Tabac. It's probably not tight enough now, but could possibly be tightened. There would be issues with the approach speed and lack of run-off though.

El_Duderino 09

MadYaker wrote: »

The importance of it as a commercial event is underpinned by the race that’s been happening there a very long time, I think if you took that away the sponsors wouldn’t be interested.

The people watching on tv are the only people who don’t enjoy Monaco and even then I wouldn’t be surprised if it has more eyes on it than most other races.

So the vast majority of the people who see it are the only people who will not enjoy it. You see how bonkers that is for an entertainment show that calls itself a "circus", right?

F1 used to be a sport for the blue bloods, with privateer teams and gentleman drivers. It probably made great sense to go to Monaco for a race back then. Monaco doesn't reflect the reality of the modern F1 or the future of F1. It's a relic of the past and F1 should be about looking to the future.

If I could drop Monaco I'd do it in a heartbeat and absolutely nobody wold miss it after a season. I'ts an obligation on the F1 calendar.

TCP/IP

Is it just me or is anybody else not looking forward to the GP hell even LH said the track is a snore-fest and I have to agree with him it's such a boring track and race.
Beautiful setting but a terrible race especially with the oversized cars we have these days.

El_Duderino 09

TCP/IP wrote: »

Is it just me or is anybody else not looking forward to the GP hell even LH said the track is a snore-fest and I have to agree with him it's such a boring track and race.
Beautiful setting but a terrible race especially with the oversized cars we have these days.

#MonaGo
#MonacoGottaGo

TCP/IP

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

#MonaGo
#MonacoGottaGo

Totally agree it’s such a terrible GP weekend so many better tracks out there. My wife asked me last night would I like a present of paddock club at the Monaco GP next year and I told her no so going to choose another GP for next year to attend.

Pen Rua

I don't know what's more boring - the GP itself or the annually moaning about Monaco.

The GP isn't going anywhere. It is one of the most iconic GPs (ask people to name any other GP, and you might get the British GP and one or two others). In non-COVID times, it has the glitz and glamour that pays the bills.

We got a lot crappier tracks (SOCHI) that don't have a fraction of the history and glamour of Monaco.

Sure Sunday probably won't be exciting, but there's a chance it will be. Not every GP is going to be a barn stormer. Saturday is the big Monaco GP day anyhow.

Sure only a few weeks ago we were in Bahrain with people bitching about track limits. Now we're at a track with walls as track limits and it's all borning. Can't win.

El_Duderino 09

Pen Rua wrote: »

I don't know what's more boring - the GP itself or the annually moaning about Monaco.

The GP isn't going anywhere. It is one of the most iconic GPs (ask people to name any other GP, and you might get the British GP and one or two others). In non-COVID times, it has the glitz and glamour that pays the bills.

We got a lot crappier tracks (SOCHI) that don't have a fraction of the history and glamour of Monaco.

Sure Sunday probably won't be exciting, but there's a chance it will be. Not every GP is going to be a barn stormer. Saturday is the big Monaco GP day anyhow.

Sure only a few weeks ago we were in Bahrain with people bitching about track limits. Now we're at a track with walls as track limits and it's all borning. Can't win.

The attempts to dress up the "glitz and glamour" as interesting would be boring if they weren't ridiculous. Nobody who tunes in for the quali or race gives a shiny shyte about the glitz and glamour that goes on away from the track or the size of the boats or the cost of a hotel. I'd be equally critical if they wanted to talk about the top 10 outfits from Milan Fashion Week at the Italian GP weekend and expected a race fan to be entertained.

We see shyte tracks like Sochi and Paul Ricard and want them to be replaced by better tracks like Turkey, but when Monaco is crap year after year, it gets all kinds of defences like "but there's a chance it will be [exciting]". Well, there's a chance Paul Ricard will be exciting but i wouldn't argue for it to be kept on the calendar in case it rains one year in 10 and there's a good race. That's an argument for holding races in rainy places, not going to boring tracks and hoping for rain.

TCP/IP

Sometimes some really interesting insights from Kym

MadYaker

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The attempts to dress up the "glitz and glamour" as interesting would be boring if they weren't ridiculous. Nobody who tunes in for the quali or race gives a shiny shyte about the glitz and glamour that goes on away from the track or the size of the boats or the cost of a hotel. I'd be equally critical if they wanted to talk about the top 10 outfits from Milan Fashion Week at the Italian GP weekend and expected a race fan to be entertained.

We see shyte tracks like Sochi and Paul Ricard and want them to be replaced by better tracks like Turkey, but when Monaco is crap year after year, it gets all kinds of defences like "but there's a chance it will be [exciting]". Well, there's a chance Paul Ricard will be exciting but i wouldn't argue for it to be kept on the calendar in case it rains one year in 10 and there's a good race. That's an argument for holding races in rainy places, not going to boring tracks and hoping for rain.

Monaco has much better reasons than the other crap tracks for staying on the calendar. How much do you reckon Gulf are paying Mclaren for that livery? Do you reckon that would have happened without the Monaco GP buzz this weekend? I'm not sure it would and it's just one example of how this race is good for the sport, it generates a lot of cash in a sport that isn't generating half as much cash as it used to. Removing it will only damage the sport that you appear to be a fan of? (hard to tell)

Also this is off topic but it's interesting, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfp4pMAhsUs&ab_channel=Mercedes-AMGPetronasFormulaOneTeam