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The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895463#Comment_117895463

Omega is not a comedy champion but his antics in all promos is pure buffoon so I don't see how people can call Big E a comedy champion. Like I'm assuming here people are just referring to their gimmicks when they call Big E a comedy champion.

Agent Coulson · 15-09-2021 4:17pm

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Fox is also on free tv so a bigger chance of getting more eyes on the product that on pay tv, That is why you stack the roster on Smackdown for me.

RollieFingers · 15-09-2021 4:31pm

You'd think it's because of his comedy gimmick alrite. Like I don't think Omega can be described as having a comedy gimmick.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having a comedy character as your world champ. But as you said Omega is not a comedy champion so just thought it was a bit of a left-field comparison!

The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 4:38pm

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C'mon now, between the 69 me Don stuff, the stooges, the absurd dress sense and that awful Being the Elite theme song he leans heavily on comedy. Big E is a straight act in comparison. I'm absolutely here for his act but it's strange to me that one wouldn't acknowledge the huge comedic aspect of Kenny's act.

J. Marston · 15-09-2021 4:55pm

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The Space Jam homage, the painting of him and Don. He is a comedy champion/character.

Nothing wrong with it. Not every champion needs to be the "brooding badass" archetype like Roman/Lashley.

beakerjoe · 15-09-2021 4:57pm

Kennys not a comedy champion. Hes a champion who has had the odd bit of comedy in his run. Even when facing OC, comedy wasnt the focus.

His persona changed to be an over the top, self absorbed champion but never a comedy champion.

RollieFingers · 15-09-2021 5:00pm

I still wouldn't say any of that means Omega has a comedy gimmick which was my point. I'd see it as a heel taking the absolute p*ss out of opponents and fans rather than comedy myself.

Just my opinion anyway my good man, I'll agree to disagree without dragging the Raw thread off topic further!

The White Wolf · 15-09-2021 5:03pm

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Exactly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117895689#Comment_117895689

Again I'm not saying he's a comedy champion but comedy is a huge part of his gimmick.

I only started this in response to someone calling Big E a comedy champion. Both lean on comedy as part of their gimmicks but when the bell rings it's all Business (and by saying that I am no way comparing their ability in the ring as Kenny is on another level).

What I'm saying isn't all that controversial. Ric Flair, arguably the greatest title holder we've seen in the business, weighed heavily on comedy. I just don't see how someone can't accept Big E as champion because he's a fun character.

RollieFingers · 15-09-2021 5:17pm

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My point exactly.

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2021 8:57pm

https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt/status/1438214551867174914

BigE liked by all, hope he is giving a decent reign

JP Liz V1 · 18-09-2021 3:19am

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1439040501383106564

Reigns coming to Raw, help ratings

CastorTroy · 18-09-2021 9:04am

So much for saving it for Survivor Series

Necro · 18-09-2021 11:50am

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They've built it a bit more on Smackdown tbf, which I wasn't expecting. Big E getting a nice rub off the feud so far, would be cool if it carries over to Survivor Series and a one on one match

CastorTroy · 18-09-2021 12:08pm

Yeah, I forgot they usually do champion vs champion at Survivor Series.

JP Liz V1 · 20-09-2021 2:56am

MVP suffered a broken rib after receiving an RKO from Randy Orton, ruling him out “indefinitely.”

PTH2009 · 21-09-2021 1:09am

Nice Brodie Lee remembrance and chant there

How amazing would it be if Big E turned on the new day and went on to become a top heel but WWE wont do that

Loughc · 21-09-2021 9:01am

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WWE are heavily weighted with heels as it is, there's no megastar face in the company at the moment. Do I think Big E will fill that role? No. Do I have faith Vince will give Big E a lenghty run with the title? No.

Strange Raw, Reigns going over twice in the one night and going over both the current WWE Champion and former WWE Champion just wasn't needed. Reigns is protected enough these days and has gotten massive wins already notched up. It just kills Raw's credibility altogether. Ultimately when they turn Reigns face this will all mean nothing if he goes back to the ghee whizz smiley happy hero.

Necro · 21-09-2021 9:52am

Stupid WWE booking anyways, surely Lashley attacking Big E should have been a DQ anyways in the 6 man. Then you'd sort of rightly have a pissed off Reigns wanting the Lashley match to avenge a loss he caused them. Lashley taking the pin then makes more sense too.

It was an ok episode. That means it was better than most Raws in the past year but by God that isn't a high bar to jump.

I don't care about the women's tag titles, or Jeff being pin fodder in the US Title match at Extreme Rules, or anything to do with Charlotte, Alexa, Eva Marie or Doudrop

Watching Orton and Styles again for the 18th time is boring too (match was good but ffs move on from the feud, shows how limited they are tag team wise).

CastorTroy · 21-09-2021 9:53am

Nice wee dig between Alexa and Charlotte about originality. And good to see Alexa drop the act for a bit. Of course she's losing.

Rhea getting choked up. At least they're not going the same route as RK-Bro and having Rhea and Nikki get on. Happy to see new champions anyway.

While Roman didn't need to win, at least no champion was pinned.

So there's no disqualification in a tag match if anything happens the partners outside the ring?

beakerjoe · 21-09-2021 1:04pm

I havent watched but from reading here its clear WWE are booking Roman strong at the expense of everyone else.

Did Roman need to go over? No, he is booked head and shoulders over everyone. Big E and Lashley needed it more. Now IMO, you can have Roman on Raw interacting with everyone without taking a win away from Big E or Bobby. Booking all 3 together was a situation in where one of the 3 looks weak.

Why WWE felt the need to have Big E and Roman square off already is mind boggling. No need for it. Keep them away from each other in the ring.

Big E won the title cold, he needs to be heated up before tangling with Roman or Bobby again.

J. Marston · 21-09-2021 3:24pm

A zinger from Charlotte. That's like seeing a unicorn.

Officer999 · 22-09-2021 7:53am

WWE need to be careful with the over exposure of Roman. He’s the best thing about the product and they know it.

He’s effectively in 3 feuds at the minute...Balor, Lesnar and Big E. It’s too much, and typical WWE.

JP Liz V1 · 27-09-2021 12:21pm

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1442311796321185794

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Loughc · 27-09-2021 12:37pm

Big E needs a Big W tonight.

JP Liz V1 · 27-09-2021 12:53pm

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For sure but is Goldberg vs. Lashley happening at Saudi could he show up tonight?

PTH2009 · 28-09-2021 1:09am

hope wwe dont give the title back to Lashley here

PTH2009 · 28-09-2021 1:19am

The usual DQ finish

Guess the hurt business could be back together

Suppose having a cage match later will make up for it

The Bollocks · 28-09-2021 2:16am

This Sheamus vs Fr. Damo Priest is a better hardcore match than any of the shite from the so called Extreme Rules bollocks from last night,

JP Liz V1 · 28-09-2021 9:44am

Shayna Baszler is face presumably

CastorTroy · 28-09-2021 10:02am

Extreme Rules PPV: 1 Extreme Rules match

Raw the next night: No DQ match and a cage match

How does the weekly show have more extreme matches than the PPV named for those matches?

How long until Keith loses his first and last names?

I thought I saw somewhere that Ryker had been released. On a related note, is Elias off for a reason or is this part of him changing and the videos were just to let us know he's going?

"Charlotte will never see it coming" Sonya says while on camera before the match rather than just have Doudrop answer the challenge when Charlotte is in the ring. Doudrop is another that seriously needs to stop with all the happy happy dancing stuff. And I say for her and most people but why was she distracted? That always annoys me.

Nearly forgot why they had that cage match. At no point did they remind us what happened at the beginning of the show. 🙄

JP Liz V1 · 28-09-2021 5:54pm

Big E needed that win

Could Xavier go heel, would WWE have the balls to change him, he never has won a singles world title, bitterness etc., story writes itself

I think Bobby should recruit new members like Keith, MVP is missed

I think Drew is headed to Smackdown

J. Marston · 28-09-2021 6:58pm

New Day have said they'll never turn on each other. I think they said in some interview that it's been pitched to them a few times, they've always said no and if they are forced to do it, they'll leave.

Whether they would actually stick to their guns on the last part remains to be seen.

princemuzzy · 28-09-2021 8:17pm

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I think the threat of AEW is enough to keep them together on top of the fact that their merch is a top seller.

Necro · 28-09-2021 10:10pm

Thought AJ and Riddle was a brilliant match. Sheamus and Priest was very hard hitting but we've already seen it 40 times lol. The cage match was decent in parts, we're likely not going to get an explanation for the Hurt Business reformation are we 😂

A much better Raw than usual.. but that's a low bar. Drew and Big E doesn't really make much sense from a face/heel perspective. Would much rather see AJ step up for a match or two with Big E to get him over, with Kofi and Xavier playing foils to Omos.

I'm wondering how the draft is going to shake things up tbh. Things are kind of established so I'm not sure what switches are going to happen.

Priest and Nakamura/Boogs possibly changing brands with IC and US Titles switching. Charlotte really needs someone like Bianca to switch. Would love an open challenge next week, draft pick announced as Bianca and she comes out and takes the belt off her but I doubt that's happening.

PTH2009 · 28-09-2021 10:49pm

Would be in favour of a new day break up or heel turn as I think they have done almost everything a face team can both as a team and individually. Enjoyed the cage match and Big Es title reign is going well

Good to have the hurt business back but would of liked if they recruited some new members with Keith Lee been one of them

Drew going to SD seems very likely but you never know with wwe

beakerjoe · 30-09-2021 12:56pm

If Big E is to face Drew, the latter needs to turn heel.

Makes sense, hes gotten very stale as a face.

PTH2009 · 04-10-2021 2:21pm

I wonder will Brock save Heymen when the Usos are drafted to Raw and go to attack him

PTH2009 · 05-10-2021 1:07am

Becky predictably drafted to Raw

PTH2009 · 05-10-2021 1:35am

Austin Theory playing the cocky fanboy heel

JP Liz V1 · 05-10-2021 1:54am

This unstoppable tough Shayna better be going somewhere, give her a title run, have her take out Becky, Charlotte and Bianca

Sheamus and Jeff to SD

CastorTroy · 05-10-2021 10:15am

Not a good sign that they used that picture of Alexa while everyone else got their profile photos used. New brand should be a new start for her.

So NXT call-ups are Hit Row, Austin Theory, Aliyah, Xia Li and Ridge Holland. Gable Steveson straight to Raw.

Additional Picks (revealed during Raw Talk)

Liv Morgan to Raw.
Dana Brooke to Raw.
Dolph Ziggler and Robert Roode to Raw.
Jaxson Ryker to Raw.
Veer to Raw.
Mia Yim to Raw.
Tamina to Raw.
Tegan Nox to Raw.
Cedric Alexander to Raw.
Shelton Benjamin to Raw.
The Miz to Raw.
Shotzi Blackheart to Smackdown.
Natalya to Smackdown.
Jinder Mahal to Smackdown.
Shanky to Smackdown.

So splitting Shotzi and Tegan, Tamina and Natalya and part of Jinder's team

Lord TSC · 05-10-2021 11:06am

Here's a full list of the women's tag team division following the draft.

Rhea Ripley and Nikki A.S.H. (c)

That's it. Literally every other "team" has been broken up.

Pentecost · 05-10-2021 11:31am

Think of all the "can they co-exist?" potential now though.

CastorTroy · 05-10-2021 11:46am

Liv and Dana will probably be put together.

Seeing Mia listed made me wonder where Shane Thorne is

https://twitter.com/AliWWE/status/1443990407520653321

Looking online, seems he's been having dark matches on Smackdown

Necro · 05-10-2021 11:58am

Kinda feel both rosters have been weakened by the draft if anything. Nothing really fresh about it bar possibly Drew going after Roman eventually, and even that was done before albeit with the face/heel roles flipped.

There's a little bit of shuffling in the mid card and with women moving but that's essentially it. A damp squib imo.

Lord TSC · 05-10-2021 12:01pm

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Thats the problem with drafts happening over and over on a regular schedule without adding more to the roster. People bounce back and forth but the freshness runs out because they just bounce back and forth with the same people.

If, say, the drafts were limited to every second or third year, but there was more focus on pushing more people, introducing more people, drafts would feel more special as a result. Drew moves from Raw to Smackdown, but it's still going to be feuding with people he has in the last two years.

Ridley · 05-10-2021 1:06pm

Through line of the show could have been Heyman keeping the Usos on Smackdown but nooOOoo.

PTH2009 · 05-10-2021 2:23pm

Odd that both Hit Row and Ridge Holland are involved in decent NXT storylines but there been canned just as quickly for them to head to the main roster

ThePott · 05-10-2021 5:47pm

Really strange selection of call-ups from NXT tbh.

Not sure if either roster is getting me that excited at the moment.

CastorTroy · 05-10-2021 6:06pm

Xia has been off NXT for a number of weeks. She's now the first Chinese superstar to appear on the WWE main roster.

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