Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Wolf359f · 18-07-2021 3:22pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627299#Comment_117627299

The number of CT cycles depends on the equipment and assay, so they are all calibrated differently.

There is a difference between a positive test and a positive case. This has been explained to no end on here.

A positive test with a high CT count is retested again on another machine and/or the person is tested again and if the CT count is lower (they are now becoming infectious) or higher (they are over the infectious period).

It is really important information and those who need that information, have that information. Joe Public doesn't know exactly how many cases came from what lab and what CT count and using what assay etc...

AlekSmart · 18-07-2021 4:11pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627299#Comment_117627299

Interesting aspect that,who does the deciding ?

What now appears to be the accepted procedure,is for a emerging little group of "New Generation" highly focused orginizations to steadily slip into place and allow the old guard "Authorities" to slip away into the night.

Thus we have the Randox's,Go Safe48's and others with slick Marketing campaigns,all designed to seperate you from your hard earned €'s in exchange for a test result.

I am very impressed with GS48's effort https://gosafe48.ie/about-us/ particularly the seamless meld between Marketing and Medicine...

Maggie Malone, CEO

Maggie Malone is a serial entrepreneur and publisher with over thirty years experience in media. She has a strong background in sales and partnership building and over twenty years experience in process and organisational improvement.

So far so good,a bitta Meejia savvy never goes to waste,nor indeed some "Serial Entreprenurship",but of course in a verified Public Health Emergency one must also have some white-coats on board....

Dr. Nick Flynn, Clinical Director

Dr Nick Flynn graduated from the medical school in University College Cork in 1997. Thereafter Dr Flynn completed vocational GP training with the Irish College of General Practitioners. He is the clinical leadership for MyCorkGP.ie group – Cork’s largest GP practice.

Dr Flynn is also a GP trainer with Irish College of General Practitioners and chairs their National Coordinating Committee for GP training.

Dr Flynn is also Medical Director of Global Travel Vaccinations in Cork City, SureRapid Testing LTD and Cork Covid Screening.

Over the last 12 months Dr Flynn has been to the fore of national debate regarding the Covid19 pandemic in Ireland and in particular advocated for early mask use and adoption of serial Covid testing to make society safer.

All of these newly emerging,and entreprenurial Testing companies are to be welcomed I take it,but no questioning appears to be focusing on whether the levying of charges between €29 and €109 for whatever test you fancy should be taken as normal or acceptable in the context of a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY with,according to Sec 31A of the 1947 Health Act currently has us in this situation.... a) having regard to the immediate, exceptional and manifest risk posed to human life and public health by the spread of Covid-19.

Slowly,at first,but accelerating now,we have found a new added cost to living life and one which,if these companies are facilitated to multiply,is likely to keep increasing with each new PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. 🙄

Valhallapt · 18-07-2021 5:04pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626269#Comment_117626269

All totally exaggerated by Irish state run media. Yes France had severe restrictions for short periods of time but nothing like the duration Ireland has been made to endure.

there was a lockdown denier on here last week, stating how much better Ireland had it than in Portugal, which is now under curfew, I had a good chuckle as I read it from inside a pub in the Algarve. We had one weekend where they closed bars / restaurants at 3.30pm, there was uproar and the government backed down. Everything is open, pubs restaurants have last drinks at 10:30pm and if you are out after 11pm it’s expected that you are on your way home, not off to a house party.

RTE are going along with the false narrative that Ireland is somehow normal. Big difference is that in the rest of Europe they use antigen testing, but again NPHET are anti science and consider the CMOs of 27 other EU countries to be selling snake oil!

However simply asking why Tony Holohan hasn’t read the Professor Ferguson report on antigen testing, which the Irish government paid for and you are made out to be some sort of anti vax conspiracy theorist. This is not the time to pull on the green jersey. Tony badly messed up cervical check, he’s badly messed up NPHET, it’s just not obvious to everyone yet.

it’s like Ireland never really matured, we liked being told what to do by the parish priest and followed his every word to prove we were good catholics. If you questioned the parish priest, you were a pariah.

nobody is infallible, not Tony or the Pope.

Deeper Blue · 18-07-2021 6:11pm

The "Stay away from BBQs" comment by Holohan seems to have pissed a lot of people off and I can see why.

NPHET are still in the headlines seven days a week. I really think the time has come to move this unelected advisory body out of the spotlight and put them back doing what they're supposed to be doing - advising.

I don't think we should be hearing from Glynn or Holohan anymore, be it in press conferences or on Twitter.

Communication should come from those that the country actually voted for.

darconio · 18-07-2021 6:21pm

We definitely need more people like Niall McEvoy, please god let's hope it's just the beginning and the majority will start to wake up from this madness

Irish Ice Hockey Star Resigns In Protest Over Vaccine Passports

Stheno · 18-07-2021 6:29pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628964#Comment_117628964

That imo was the indo going off the deep end after the HSE said family gatherings were fuelling infections

NPHET are still advising to meet outdoors

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 6:32pm

French police joining the protesters now.

https://twitter.com/DongaldTrunk/status/1416818331294699521

DebDynamite · 18-07-2021 6:33pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629008#Comment_117629008

Tell me exactly how, if more people were like Niall McEvoy, we’d ever get out of this madness? Yeah, he’s a great lad altogether 🙄

stephenjmcd · 18-07-2021 6:48pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629061#Comment_117629061

Pretty clear that it's the police line escorting the protest you can tell by the line behind them linking arms but sure look the other theory just makes a good story for some.

There's also police left and right sides. They're kettling them not joining them

Economics101 · 18-07-2021 7:30pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629043#Comment_117629043

Someone should tell NPHET that BBQs usually take place outdoors 😎

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 7:34pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629142#Comment_117629142

They are protecting the people and are not the Police. They are the military ( Gendarmarie ) so it is significant because the military have been telling the politicians in France they will take over because they are not happy.

stephenjmcd · 18-07-2021 7:55pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629312#Comment_117629312

Ah so we're onto a military coup now. I'll leave it at that so because this is getting quite silly now

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 8:59pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629398#Comment_117629398

Who knows

https://summit.news/2021/07/16/french-face-6-months-in-jail-for-entering-a-bar-or-restaurant-without-a-covid-pass

Tork · 18-07-2021 9:43pm

You posted a link from summit.news.

"Launched in March 2019, Summit News is a far-right conspiracy website. Like most questionable sources this website does not have an about page nor disclosure of ownership. The primary writer appears to be Paul Joseph Watson, who is a former editor for the conspiracy website Infowars. Although not disclosed, Paul Joseph Watson appears to be the owner and editor of this website. Further, Summit News has been banned on Facebook."

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 9:53pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629855#Comment_117629855

They were quoting the Guardian

storker · 18-07-2021 9:54pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628964#Comment_117628964

Maybe he was talking about food poisoning... 😊

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 9:54pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/15/france-achieves-record-covid-jabs-with-macrons-big-stick-approach

Tork · 18-07-2021 9:54pm

So why not quote the original article, rather than a far right conspiracy website I hadn't heard of until 10 minutes ago?

brickster69 · 18-07-2021 9:55pm

And the Financial Times

Tork · 18-07-2021 9:58pm

Yes, but you chose to post a link from a questionable right-wing conspiracy website first, not these other sources. Why?

Wolf359f · 18-07-2021 10:22pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629925#Comment_117629925

They obviously get their news from right-wing conspiracy sites and facebook i'd say!

frillyleaf · 18-07-2021 11:20pm

Will the rules for unvaccinated people affect indoor dining at a wedding? I’m not vaccinated but the wedding is in a few weeks time and trying to figure if I’ll be able to go to the meal at the wedding? It’s all very confusing! I’m not vaccinated and won’t be vaccinated within the time frame of two weeks.

Does it even matter or is it only walk in indoor dining the vaccinations are needed eg. Restaurants

Wolf359f · 18-07-2021 11:52pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117630233#Comment_117630233

I believe the restrictions/vaccine requirement is only for indoor walk in dining as such. They have made exceptions for weddings. I'm sure the wedding couple would be able to confirm it via the hotel etc...

TomSweeney · 19-07-2021 7:52am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629906#Comment_117629906

Far right !! :D :D

Go away ourra dah will ya!!

19-07-2021 7:57am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629008#Comment_117629008

Now that the Ice Hockey players are revolting, its only a matter of hours until full scale insurrection

Richard Hillman · 19-07-2021 10:16am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629398#Comment_117629398

The French military and ex french military general have been meeting lately in regard to levels of crime and immigration.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/04/coup-france-far-right-president-marine-le-pen

You can bet your bottom that they are talking about Covid restrictions and overreach of government.

Red Silurian · 19-07-2021 10:30am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631354#Comment_117631354

This has more to do with foreigners coming in to France than covid restrictions, they're using "Cancel Culture" as an excuse to be racist... Grab power by having a common enemy with your voters, if there isn't any common enemy then create one... Just like Hitler with the Jews, Trump with the Muslims, Johnson with the Europeans and Varadkar with Sinn Fein

There's nothing new with the French military voting right wing ideologies either but when it comes to it I'd take the talk of a coup d’état by the military with a pinch of salt

is_that_so · 19-07-2021 11:41am

Seems to be on track to happen next week.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0719/1235989-indoor-hospitality-reopening/

19-07-2021 11:47am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631414#Comment_117631414

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0ftfKFEJg

PTH2009 · 19-07-2021 11:47am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631783#Comment_117631783

Not til Tony and Co once again say its too soon

Let's hope I'm wrong and there allowed reopen using the EU cert

is_that_so · 19-07-2021 11:53am

Depends on numbers - hospital cases are up to 101 but ICU now down to 20. That's really not enough to derail it plus NHPET have locked themselves into the digital pass approach.

Red Silurian · 19-07-2021 1:09pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631783#Comment_117631783

We will know for sure on Wednesday, it's strange how they need primary legislation to make sure we don't go into a pub un-vaccinated but for restrictions on international travel a very simple "we don't recommend it" was sufficient

Would a simple statement like "we don't recommend indoor dining or drinking, unless you're vaccinated please stay outside" not be a better approach?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631817#Comment_117631817

???

MadYaker · 19-07-2021 8:01pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631826#Comment_117631826

I think it’s unlikely or we’d be hearing noises about it already. Great to see case numbers so high and ICU numbers not following like clockwork, this is what I’ve been hoping for for months.

Dickie10 · 19-07-2021 9:54pm

Tony will have to magic something up very soon or it will be all over bar the shouting this day next week, im surprised he didnt stick some pictures up on twitter of people at the beach or in croke park yesterday without face masks.he has still time i guess.

hynesie08 · 19-07-2021 11:02pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631826#Comment_117631826

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117634990#Comment_117634990

I wonder if he regrets paying a mortgage considering how easy it is to live rent free in your heads.....

km79 · 20-07-2021 7:37am

Time limits back on the table it seems

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0720/1236117-hospitality-reopening/

is_that_so · 20-07-2021 7:39am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635610#Comment_117635610

Well they were always there, dropping them was just a proposal.

Penfailed · 20-07-2021 7:50am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635610#Comment_117635610

Makes sense for the restaurant industry. Quicker turnover, more bums on seats.

pjohnson · 20-07-2021 7:51am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635218#Comment_117635218

Probably Tonys fault rents are so high.

pjohnson · 20-07-2021 7:51am

paw patrol · 20-07-2021 7:58am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635218#Comment_117635218

a bizarre comment.

Tony has commanded our lives to the nth degree for the past 15 month. the notion we shouldn't think or form opinions about him and his decrees' is weird.

he has rules nearly single handed since covid arrived as he has a loyal follower in Michael Martin and somebody has a hold on Leo since the leak-gate thing.

so yeah - I don't get your "rent free" comment at all. In fact, its' kinda a lame cut/paste dig from the comments section of some sh1te like lad bible.

paw patrol · 20-07-2021 8:00am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635640#Comment_117635640

not necessarily

much bigger margins on drinks than food. if a group stays and horses into the wine after dessert , they could be a better bet than 2 similar sized groups for dinner.

celt262 · 20-07-2021 8:05am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635640#Comment_117635640

Any restaurant i have been in before covid had time limits because you know they need the table for the next booking.

hynesie08 · 20-07-2021 8:12am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635671#Comment_117635671

"Commanded our lives" "decrees" "rules"

Maybe instead of being obsessed with a medical officer being overly cautious, you should focus on the absolute lack of any balance or spine shown by the government....

timmyntc · 20-07-2021 8:14am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635703#Comment_117635703

Really? Where have you been eating?

I have never been in any restaurant pre-covid that had a time-limit of how long we could stay.

If you want to have a coffee after dessert and sit with it, its fine. If you want to order another bottle of wine, its fine. I dont recall anywhere being stingy enough to kick you out after X amount of time

paw patrol · 20-07-2021 8:22am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635728#Comment_117635728

well i do - you would have seen my posts over the last year or so. I have been quite vocal on the lack of anything really from the cabinet other than deference to NPHET . So in a way your comment is odd if you'd even read a modicum of this thread - which you have cos you post frequently.

I have written to my TDs multiple times on that many facets of covid and the impact on our lives. Their replies would be funny if it wasn't a tragic situation. A recent missive from minister Darragh Obrien (FF) was about 2 pages long and didn't address my point at all.

But that doesn't exonerate NPHET or it's head honcho despite my agreement with you that cabinet deserve the bulk of the blame

Dr Tony does his press conferences and he is a public figure - which he is - he (and his fans) must expect criticisms from people who think his policies are mental.

the kelt · 20-07-2021 8:34am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635610#Comment_117635610

So the official, actual current HSE guidelines are:

Fully vaccinated people can visit together indoors with no limit on numbers. This also applies to people who had a positive COVID-19 test in the past 9 months. This is called the vaccine bonus. Nothing about time limits etc

Unless that happens to be a pub or a restaurant, then fully vaccinated people are in mortal danger if they stay beyond a certain time!!

Yep makes sense, total sense. So glad i got vaccinated now so i can have that bonus of mixing with other fully vaccinated people... for a specific length of time only!!

Heres an out there thought, it makes sense for many restaurants to have a time limit, so, and i know that this may be a bit out there for some, may take a few by surprise, how about leaving it up to them!!! ye know the people that own the establishments. I mean everyone in there is vaccinated or are they just deliberately trying to make people think whats the point of getting vaccinated in the 1st place.

Vicxas · 20-07-2021 9:01am

Philip Nolan doomongering right on que:

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-wave-5500144-Jul2021/

seamus · 20-07-2021 9:08am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635738#Comment_117635738

Really? Where have you been eating?

I've been in plenty of restaurants in my life that have a concept of "sittings"; where you make a booking for (say) 8 o'clock, and you have to be finished by 10 to make way for the next sitting.

It's a practice that has been slowly declining, it was certainly very common 10-15 years ago, especially at the weekends.

Anyway, the time limit thing was only really off the table in the speculation phase. Once the legislation was published last week, it was back in. IIRC, there was a time limit for outdoor dining last year so at least that's gone.

I'm not entirely sure how valid it is as a measure. In practice, 105 minutes is more than enough time to have a relaxed meal and move on. But in terms of preventing viral spread, if an infected person is in the room, then it's about 70 minutes too long.

Logically it seems better to have less turnover of customers in a given evening rather than more.

namloc1980 · 20-07-2021 9:12am

The doom is in full flow this morning. Had to turn off Newstalk as it was just all doom and gloom and fear mongering over "long Covid".

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings