Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

growleaves

The incoherence around rules re PCR testing speaks for itself. You need a negative PCR test to enter the country but you still have to isolate in case its a false negative. But you don't you dare say there are false positives.

shesty

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117625756#Comment_117625756

I read that article and I get their point and all but the last line really, really, REALLY annoyed me.Basically said well the Government opened up against NPHET's advice at Christmas and look what happened, and now they are doing it all over again.So none of these adults who attended or worked at the restaurant can take responsibility for themselves can they?It's the Government's fault that hands weren't washed, sanitisers ran out, the numbers were hard to manage, and all the other things that happened??It was a ridiculous article and it was designed to scare (some) people, I thought it was a really poor show by the IT.

Ballynally

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627190#Comment_117627190

There seems to be no agreed nr of PCR cycles needed to assess whether someone is infectious or not. It is all over the place. Ive seen between 20 and 40 cycles mentioned as the standard test variable (although i believe it is 40-45 in Ireland)

I wonder who decides where they are done in Ireland. Who sets the bar regarding cycle nrs?

Manufacturer?

It is really important imo

323

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626524#Comment_117626524

Agree, more so as this has gone on, real doubts about this PCR gold standard boll**ks. PCR testing, The bane of my existence lately☹️. Overseeing a phase of a construction project in Africa atm, over a hundred folks on location, different nationalities, age groups, some "vaccinated", all tested at least 5 times. Small group but an eye opener all the same.

Sorry, nothing to do with tread. Useless bit of info gleaned from an interest in old naval and maritime history, the stick in mouth, was actually to prevent the poor bugger having a limb amputated etc. shattering their teeth and/or biting off their tongue.

niallo27

Things seem a lot quieter in here, are people just moving on or is it because the site is horrible to use.

Penfailed

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627839#Comment_117627839

Could be a bit of both. Nice weather too. People outside enjoying themselves perhaps.

Tork

Maybe boards being down was a blessing in disguise for some of the people who were regularly posting here. I have wondered aloud in here if these forums have been doing as much damage to people's mental health as the restrictions and the news reports. Especially a few posters who have admitted that they are prone to being anxious or low. It's all too easy to get a bit obsessed with Covid and the circus surrounding it when it's a 24/7 news cycle. Maybe some were addicted to posting here, or at the very least had turned it into a significant pastime.

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627299#Comment_117627299

The number of CT cycles depends on the equipment and assay, so they are all calibrated differently.

There is a difference between a positive test and a positive case. This has been explained to no end on here.

A positive test with a high CT count is retested again on another machine and/or the person is tested again and if the CT count is lower (they are now becoming infectious) or higher (they are over the infectious period).

It is really important information and those who need that information, have that information. Joe Public doesn't know exactly how many cases came from what lab and what CT count and using what assay etc...

AlekSmart

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627299#Comment_117627299

Interesting aspect that,who does the deciding ?

What now appears to be the accepted procedure,is for a emerging little group of "New Generation" highly focused orginizations to steadily slip into place and allow the old guard "Authorities" to slip away into the night.

Thus we have the Randox's,Go Safe48's and others with slick Marketing campaigns,all designed to seperate you from your hard earned €'s in exchange for a test result.

I am very impressed with GS48's effort https://gosafe48.ie/about-us/ particularly the seamless meld between Marketing and Medicine...

Maggie Malone, CEO

Maggie Malone is a serial entrepreneur and publisher with over thirty years experience in media. She has a strong background in sales and partnership building and over twenty years experience in process and organisational improvement.

So far so good,a bitta Meejia savvy never goes to waste,nor indeed some "Serial Entreprenurship",but of course in a verified Public Health Emergency one must also have some white-coats on board....

Dr. Nick Flynn, Clinical Director

Dr Nick Flynn graduated from the medical school in University College Cork in 1997. Thereafter Dr Flynn completed vocational GP training with the Irish College of General Practitioners. He is the clinical leadership for MyCorkGP.ie group – Cork’s largest GP practice.

Dr Flynn is also a GP trainer with Irish College of General Practitioners and chairs their National Coordinating Committee for GP training.

Dr Flynn is also Medical Director of Global Travel Vaccinations in Cork City, SureRapid Testing LTD and Cork Covid Screening.

Over the last 12 months Dr Flynn has been to the fore of national debate regarding the Covid19 pandemic in Ireland and in particular advocated for early mask use and adoption of serial Covid testing to make society safer.

All of these newly emerging,and entreprenurial Testing companies are to be welcomed I take it,but no questioning appears to be focusing on whether the levying of charges between €29 and €109 for whatever test you fancy should be taken as normal or acceptable in the context of a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY with,according to Sec 31A of the 1947 Health Act currently has us in this situation.... a) having regard to the immediate, exceptional and manifest risk posed to human life and public health by the spread of Covid-19.

Slowly,at first,but accelerating now,we have found a new added cost to living life and one which,if these companies are facilitated to multiply,is likely to keep increasing with each new PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. 🙄

Valhallapt

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626269#Comment_117626269

All totally exaggerated by Irish state run media. Yes France had severe restrictions for short periods of time but nothing like the duration Ireland has been made to endure.

there was a lockdown denier on here last week, stating how much better Ireland had it than in Portugal, which is now under curfew, I had a good chuckle as I read it from inside a pub in the Algarve. We had one weekend where they closed bars / restaurants at 3.30pm, there was uproar and the government backed down. Everything is open, pubs restaurants have last drinks at 10:30pm and if you are out after 11pm it’s expected that you are on your way home, not off to a house party.

RTE are going along with the false narrative that Ireland is somehow normal. Big difference is that in the rest of Europe they use antigen testing, but again NPHET are anti science and consider the CMOs of 27 other EU countries to be selling snake oil!

However simply asking why Tony Holohan hasn’t read the Professor Ferguson report on antigen testing, which the Irish government paid for and you are made out to be some sort of anti vax conspiracy theorist. This is not the time to pull on the green jersey. Tony badly messed up cervical check, he’s badly messed up NPHET, it’s just not obvious to everyone yet.

it’s like Ireland never really matured, we liked being told what to do by the parish priest and followed his every word to prove we were good catholics. If you questioned the parish priest, you were a pariah.

nobody is infallible, not Tony or the Pope.

Deeper Blue

The "Stay away from BBQs" comment by Holohan seems to have pissed a lot of people off and I can see why.

NPHET are still in the headlines seven days a week. I really think the time has come to move this unelected advisory body out of the spotlight and put them back doing what they're supposed to be doing - advising.

I don't think we should be hearing from Glynn or Holohan anymore, be it in press conferences or on Twitter.

Communication should come from those that the country actually voted for.

darconio

We definitely need more people like Niall McEvoy, please god let's hope it's just the beginning and the majority will start to wake up from this madness

Irish Ice Hockey Star Resigns In Protest Over Vaccine Passports

Stheno

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628964#Comment_117628964

That imo was the indo going off the deep end after the HSE said family gatherings were fuelling infections

NPHET are still advising to meet outdoors

brickster69

French police joining the protesters now.

https://twitter.com/DongaldTrunk/status/1416818331294699521

DebDynamite

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629008#Comment_117629008

Tell me exactly how, if more people were like Niall McEvoy, we’d ever get out of this madness? Yeah, he’s a great lad altogether 🙄

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629061#Comment_117629061

Pretty clear that it's the police line escorting the protest you can tell by the line behind them linking arms but sure look the other theory just makes a good story for some.

There's also police left and right sides. They're kettling them not joining them

Economics101

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629043#Comment_117629043

Someone should tell NPHET that BBQs usually take place outdoors 😎

brickster69

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629142#Comment_117629142

They are protecting the people and are not the Police. They are the military ( Gendarmarie ) so it is significant because the military have been telling the politicians in France they will take over because they are not happy.

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629312#Comment_117629312

Ah so we're onto a military coup now. I'll leave it at that so because this is getting quite silly now

brickster69

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629398#Comment_117629398

Who knows

https://summit.news/2021/07/16/french-face-6-months-in-jail-for-entering-a-bar-or-restaurant-without-a-covid-pass

Tork

You posted a link from summit.news.

"Launched in March 2019, Summit News is a far-right conspiracy website. Like most questionable sources this website does not have an about page nor disclosure of ownership. The primary writer appears to be Paul Joseph Watson, who is a former editor for the conspiracy website Infowars. Although not disclosed, Paul Joseph Watson appears to be the owner and editor of this website. Further, Summit News has been banned on Facebook."

brickster69

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629855#Comment_117629855

They were quoting the Guardian

storker

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628964#Comment_117628964

Maybe he was talking about food poisoning... 😊

brickster69

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/15/france-achieves-record-covid-jabs-with-macrons-big-stick-approach

Tork

So why not quote the original article, rather than a far right conspiracy website I hadn't heard of until 10 minutes ago?

brickster69

And the Financial Times

Tork

Yes, but you chose to post a link from a questionable right-wing conspiracy website first, not these other sources. Why?

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117629925#Comment_117629925

They obviously get their news from right-wing conspiracy sites and facebook i'd say!

frillyleaf

Will the rules for unvaccinated people affect indoor dining at a wedding? I’m not vaccinated but the wedding is in a few weeks time and trying to figure if I’ll be able to go to the meal at the wedding? It’s all very confusing! I’m not vaccinated and won’t be vaccinated within the time frame of two weeks.

Does it even matter or is it only walk in indoor dining the vaccinations are needed eg. Restaurants

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117630233#Comment_117630233

I believe the restrictions/vaccine requirement is only for indoor walk in dining as such. They have made exceptions for weddings. I'm sure the wedding couple would be able to confirm it via the hotel etc...