Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640005#Comment_117640005

Rent an opinion has been a pandemic of its own during this. Doctors, in particular, seem to believe their own personal opinions hold a lot of weight.

The HorsesMouth

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640005#Comment_117640005

Heard it. You're right..it was absolutely ridiculous of RTE to allow her peddle out her opinion on the main show that the older generation listen to. But then again I'm not surprised with RTE at all. She said she's fully vaccinated but won't go into a restaurant or bar because she wouldn't feel safe.....around other people who are also vaccinated!! Honestly...sometimes I'm lost for words at how crazy this country has gone.

prunudo

Rte should run a piece on when the next shipment of cottonwool and bubble wrap is arriving in the country because by god, going by their interviewees we're going to need a steady stream of it for the next few years.

TomSweeney

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117639516#Comment_117639516

Do you seriously think in 4 weeks these people will be happy with reopening ?

DarkJager21

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117639294#Comment_117639294

Can't "old people" engage their brain now and some personal responsibility along with it? Stay the **** out of a pub or restaurant if you are that terrified of it.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640114#Comment_117640114

the old people I know are as pissed off as the young people.

imagine knowing you probably had 10 years left and wasting 2 of them in fear of this sh1te unable to live out your retirement as you wish

aidoh

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640132#Comment_117640132

Wasting 2 of them so far...

TomSweeney

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640005#Comment_117640005

Repeat of my last post but my God ... does anyone really think these people will be satisfied "in a few weeks" - what are they waiting for ???

What will happen in a few weeks ? more vaccinated ?

The vaccination point that keeps moving ? 60%,70%,80% now I believe it's 90% ... and when it approaches 90, it will be shifted to 95.

These people are hacks, even if every individual right now in Ireland was doubly vaxxed they'd want restrictions for fear of a new variant.

And a lot of the public would support them too ...

aidoh

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640066#Comment_117640066

Well I don't know Graham. I suppose seeing the reality of the new normal spelled out in our national broadcaster this morning without any facilitation of public debate on whether such measures are even proportional or ethical to begin with just concerns me.

The vaccines seem very effective and you would hope they'll bring about an end to restrictions (I don't think so personally, I think Ireland will remain a joyless dystopia for the long-term because of our over-reaction to COVID and our lack of viable political or media opposition).

However, being allowed to participate in society on the condition of whether or not you've taken part in the clinical trials for the product of one of several multi-national pharmaceutical corporations is in no way ethically acceptable.

Again, the vaccines seem to be destroying the risks associated with COVID and, if so, that's great news. But I guess I'm just hugely allergic to the idea of coercing people, particularly younger people, to rush in and take a vaccine that nobody on Earth can promise you will have no long-term effects on your immune system or reproductive health for example, when they would otherwise not even be risk of a negative outcome from contracting COVID in the first place.

You can't really relax restrictions by bringing in an incredibly restrictive condition for engaging with society, I suppose.

DarkJager21

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640162#Comment_117640162

In a few more weeks it will be all about the schools, so if they can delay reopening they can kick the pubs off the cliff for real and extinguish any hope of them opening this year. After that, they'll latch on to "long covid" as an excuse (they are already sowing the seeds of this) and if that doesn't work it will then turn to not being safe until children up to 18 are vaccinated.

the kelt

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117639937#Comment_117639937

I could be wrong but does scanning the code give you any further information than whats already there?

A quick look at the cert on my phone tells my name, DOB, Vaccination status and date of vaccination. I believe scanning the code give you the exact same information so it would all seem a little pointless!

Copy of your cert either paper or digital as per the app and another form of id and one ye go would surely make more sense albeit what makes sense during seems to be open for debate, anyone for a plate of chicken nuggets with their pints??

sekiro

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640081#Comment_117640081

I makes me think that there will be plenty out there who got vaccinated purely out of fear of being called an anti-vaxxer.

She is essentially saying she doesn't think the vaccine works. On RTE. It's fine because she got vaccinated anyway so it's not an anti-vax talking point.

I wonder if they even consider how this looks to people who are hesitant? Sure, I got the vaccine but I still wouldn't feel safe, you know. Might be best to just keep avoiding people. OK. So what's the point again?

They've painted themselves into a corner where they want you to get vaccinated but they also don't want to commit to lifting restrictions. So the vaccine is the way out of this but also won't make a difference.

I'm vaxxed and your vaxxed but it's not safe to go to a restaurant together. That'll get them queuing for their vaccines!

Graham

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640198#Comment_117640198

Ahhh ok, privacy conspiracy theory, big pharma conspiracy theory, and antivax. Now I see where you're coming from.

TomSweeney

Is Niall Boylan still talking about this ?

Or has he been bullied to shut up ?

Graham

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640240#Comment_117640240

I'm sure we'll find out once it's out in the wild.

I'm expecting the scanner to check scanned certs against issued certs to make sure it's valid/genuine but that's purely guesswork on my part.

sekiro

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640132#Comment_117640132

There will be plenty of old folk who absolutely lived for their social life. Whether that be the local pub or church or other community activities.

Their lives would have revolved around seeing people and going places and being visited by the grandkids etc.

Some of those will have died having spent the final months of their lives stuck in the house on their own.

Quality of life is bloody important yet all this concern for the elderly completely disregards it. It should have been a matter of personal choice and we should have come up with better ways to protect those who needed or wanted it.

Not lock yer granda who loves his church and his pub in the house with Netflix and Facebook for the last few months of his life.

celt262

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117638240#Comment_117638240

You need to move on from McDonalds and Burger King!

OwenM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117638247#Comment_117638247

A few weeks more... we've been listening to that since April 2020

shesty

A friend in the UK just told me her Dad (in his 70s in Ireland) is a while fully vaccinated but is now too afraid to book anything or go anywhere because of "the numbers".

I actually despair, what are we doing to people.

celt262

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117639937#Comment_117639937

I'd say most will be scanning pockets to see how much money you are going to spend in the pub/restaurant.

suicide_circus

Tin foil hat bla bla bla but seriously, covid has been the vehicle for the most unbelievable wholesale forfeiture of liberty since WWII.

A global sh1tting of the bed fueled by the hysteria typical of social media.

Sad and sickening.

SnuggyBear

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640202#Comment_117640202

You are forgetting the ace in the hole. The flu

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640343#Comment_117640343

my granny is 101 and got covid in jan in the nursing home - no symptoms just a positive result.

she was furious that her last 2 weeks could have been spent "in prison" (her words) - i'm guessing at 101 - every 2 weeks can possibly be the rest of your life .

Her last year has mostly been devoid of contact with her family bar a designated visitor - who is this benefiting? not her, despite being of that protected granny status we were told this was for.

aidoh

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640317#Comment_117640317

When you put forward a hypothesis, it's guesswork. When someone else does the same, it's conspiracy theory.

Got it.

namloc1980

We'll be grand once the vulnerable are vaccinated and we'll open up once most adults are vaccinated they said. Anyone who suggested earlier in the year that restrictions would still be in place heading into the middle and late summer was absolutely vilified and scoffed at on here. Yet here we are. Anyone who thinks we won't have restrictions for winter 2021/22 is deluded. The media are seriously ramping up the fear as well this week. As bad as it has ever been with finger wagging and tut tutting about people going on holidays or going for a drink and a bite to eat. Disgusting.

aidoh

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640298#Comment_117640298

No conspiracy theories proposed here my good sir.

Sekiro's post above succinctly expresses the concerns that I was trying to convey but don't have eloquence to do.

Have a lovely day.

Multipass

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640501#Comment_117640501

And people are still being called conspiracy theorists, whilst in a few days we have to scan qr codes to enter cafes - even though vaccinated people can also spread the virus. If I’ve learned one thing this year, it’s that there is no safety, and I’m not talking about from mild-moderate respiratory illness - there is no safety in the structure of our society. I guess it was always an illusion.

TomSweeney

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-21/covid-19-surge-in-spain-revives-debate-on-return-of-mandatory-outdoor-masking.html

Utterly unbelievable ...

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640298#Comment_117640298

Dismissing debate and shouting conspiracy is a bit silly now isn't it, given where we are at.

I was one of those who laughed my arse off at the conspiracy theorists. I posted over on the conspiracy forum around this time last year calling them out for their nonsense predictions about vaccine cards and saying they were tinfoil hatters etc. Remembering last year at this time we had indoor dining and other than the silly €9 meal, no real restrictions.

Fast forward 12 months and we have a huge swathe of the country vaccinated and yet we have "no vaccine, no service" laws about to come into place in the country, special "papers" to go on for a cup of coffee somewhere, continued restrictions on people and a media waging a war of fear against the population. We have politicians telling us this winter is going to see continued restrictions. And an unelected bureaucrat calling the shots on public policy in the country

I'm not laughing as the conspiracy theorists anymore. The €9 meal now seems very reasonable given where things are at now. There's something deeply dystopian going on in this country.

ShadowTech

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640577#Comment_117640577

But, why would they want to do this? Whatever the overall efficacy of masks is, we know that there’s very little spread outdoors. Restrictions should only be imposed when they can be reasonably justified.