Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

martingriff · 04-07-2021 01:50PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

Huge crowd at the Formula 1 today.

Ya this and Silverstone given ok for full capacity. USA will also be

Archeron · 04-07-2021 01:52PM

Just saw a post on Instagram from discover Dublin with a video of that test music event, I've never seen such a negative response to a tourism post in my life.

martingriff · 04-07-2021 01:53PM

gansi wrote: »

Meanwhile here today we can sit outside in the €issing rain and eat Sunday lunch.

Ah it's only a little bit never hurt anyone

gozunda · 04-07-2021 01:54PM

Fandymo wrote: »

Weren’t our recent models done by a student who was more into snooker and fantasy football, as confirmed further back in the thread??

Yeah that was the spin which was being pushed by a few ...

The guy is a PhD candidate who is researching statistical modelling . Afaik they were areas in which he had previously undertaken modelling research. He was just one of those involved

From the irish epidemiological modelling advisory group website linked.

Professor Murphy and his colleagues are involved in developing mathematical and statistical models for the each stage of the Covid-19 pandemic in conjunction with other mathematical researchers in Ireland and with assistance from other modelling groups around the world.

There's a significant difference between being "into fantasy football" (it takes all types tbf) and research involving mathematical modelling

Multipass · 04-07-2021 01:58PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

It would seem that amongst the Qualifications to be CEO of any Irish Governmental Agency is to possess a Hard-Neck.

The HSE's own 2009 report,and the later 2018 report were VERY clear about ICU capacity.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/publications/clinical-strategy-and-programmes/towards-excellence-in-critical-care-report.pdf

For cryin out loud,can no Journalist be found who is prepared to actively address the REAL Health Emergency with these lad's...? (HINT: It has nothing to do with Covid)

It’s too late, we’ve spent all our money on face masks and Perspex shields.

robindch · 04-07-2021 01:59PM

The Big Easy wrote: »

My God to go to such a beautiful green tree laden part of Ireland and wear a mask as you wander around is almost sacrilege.

Still, though, since mask-wearing helps stop you from potentially catching the disease and also helps stop you passing it on to one or more people, it's a no-brainer.

AlekSmart · 04-07-2021 02:00PM

Fandymo wrote: »

So 1 virologist.

Epidemiologists? Statistical analysists??

At this juncture in the Longest Emergency Ever,except of course for the 2nd World War in Ireland,could it be worthwhile to include some people from the greater society on it ?

Engineers,Businesspeople,Labourers,Blue Collar workers,Lower Level Medical workers,if only to allow the current NPHET membership a closer grasp of just who and what their current dictats are pertaining to.

Queuing up in the pouring rain yesterday at a HSE Vaccine Centre,my interactions were with people who just wanted to be able to Travel out of Ireland,with nobody attaching too much importance to the possibility of Death by Covid.

The other conversation topic was,what will happen when PUP ends,as my companions seemed all tom have family members at home and on the allowance.

All told it was a sodden downbeat little group,with few offering any glimmer of optimism in relation to things here in Ireland.

We have enough 'ologists at the moment,so how about a few Joe Soap's be co-opted onto NPHET....If it works at County Council level it will work here

AlekSmart · 04-07-2021 02:03PM

robindch wrote: »

Still, though, since mask-wearing helps stop you from potentially catching the disease and also helps stop you passing it on to one or more people, it's a no-brainer.

100% agree.
Something confirmed everyday by my personal observations and interactions.

is_that_so · 04-07-2021 02:04PM

Archeron wrote: »

Just saw a post on Instagram from discover Dublin with a video of that test music event, I've never seen such a negative response to a tourism post in my life.

Not a week to be doing something like that, even if they are in no way to blame for any of it.

Stormyteacup · 04-07-2021 02:06PM

Fandymo wrote: »

So 1 virologist.

Epidemiologists? Statistical analysists??

To be fair I suspect there’s little wrong with the modelling software. Presumably a modelling expert group would still need to plug in variables provided to them by NPHET.

We know that accelerated vaccine rate was disregarded. Also CMO when asked gave a confident answer of 3% to the probable hospitalisation rate for Delta variant, when UK has it at approx. 1.6%. Almost half - which have a huge effect on hospitalisation figures projected in the models, assuming Delta prevalence as expected.

Input dodgy variables and you’ll get some widely inaccurate (and scary, which is the point) predictions.

the kelt · 04-07-2021 02:11PM

Jimi H wrote: »

Was listening to Paul Reid this morning. He was saying that although only 16 are in ICU for Covid, there were very few ICU beds available. I think he said 230 (or possibly 260 can’t remember) ICU beds were occupied at the moment and the hospitals were very busy. Anyway, by the sound of it we have very little capacity to take on even a small increase in hospitality rate. We’ve had so many years of a poorly run health service and it’s come back to bite.

But weren’t those people saying we will have restrictions in place etc even when COVID wasn’t causing hospitals to be over run all out there loony’s coming up with with these scenarios?

MrMusician18 · 04-07-2021 02:12PM

leahyl wrote: »

There must be something we don’t know?? I’m really struggling at this point to understand how an outdoor gig with 8k people as a “test” event has people separated into pods of 6 and they have to wear masks??? What is the point??? I have followed restrictions for the past year and half but when we’re getting to the point of so many people being vaccinated but we still have to “hold on” for another few weeks etc….it’s just….I’m wrecked from it all. Even with restaurants open outdoors and all this, still doesn’t change that we are still expected to social distance and wear masks in crowded areas - it’s just not normal life yet. My anxiety is through the roof again this last week and I got the first dose of the vaccine - I should be delighted but it’s like the vaccines aren’t worth a damn at the moment! (I am happy that I got the vaccine though but everything else happening this week has taken away from it, that’s all :-P)

What has happened this week that has put your anxiety through the roof? If you step away from boards, away from social media, away from the anger and rage you'll actually see that quite little has changed -in fact things have gotten more relaxed. Nothing has been reimposed. At all.

If you weren't anxious two weeks ago, there is no reason to be anxious now.

TomTomTim · 04-07-2021 02:16PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What has happened this week that has put your anxiety through the roof? If you step away from boards, away from social media, away from the anger and rage you'll actually see that quite little has changed -in fact things have gotten more relaxed. Nothing has been reimposed. At all.

If you weren't anxious two weeks ago, there is no reason to be anxious now.

Which is the point. It was meant to change, yet it hasn't. Certain posters on this site seem to have a great love of being purposely obtuse.

prunudo · 04-07-2021 02:19PM

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0704/1232972-uk-covid/

I've never been so envious of the British.
I don't believe we will get anywhere close to this in 2021.
****in nonsense.

I followed your link, then saw the main headline.

'One concert goer had a positive antigen test at pilot event'

Only then it goes on to say that they later got a negative pcr test and got the all clear.

I've never seen a news organisation have such a doom and misery fetish. Every headline and article written in a negative tone. If you won the lotto they'd piss on you.

Edit:-
Actually going to delete the link, only adding to the click count and ultimately that is probably what is driving the standard of the journalism.

MrMusician18 · 04-07-2021 02:21PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

Which is the point. It was meant to change, yet it hasn't. Certain posters on this site seem to have a great love of being purposely obtuse.

For the vast vast vast majority of the population, the lack of change means that it's not possible to go to a restaurant or pub indoors. That's all. It's not something to get worked up about, especially if it's not a sector that directly affects you.

MrMusician18 · 04-07-2021 02:25PM

prunudo wrote: »

I followed your link, then saw the main headline.

'One concert goer had a positive antigen test at pilot event'

Only then it goes on to say that they later got a negative pcr test and got the all clear.

I've never seen a news organisation have such a doom and misery fetish. Every headline and article written in a negative tone. If you won the lotto they'd piss on you.
RTE news : One positive Covid-19 antigen test at pilot festival

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0704/1232987-pilot-festival-testing/

Why are you applying a spin to that headline? It is only a statement of fact, the real problem is that you are approaching it with a negative mindset.

Equally I look at it and see just one positive test and that it was a false positive. Isn't that great.

mcsean2163 · 04-07-2021 02:30PM

leahyl wrote: »

There must be something we don’t know?? I’m really struggling at this point to understand how an outdoor gig with 8k people as a “test” event has people separated into pods of 6 and they have to wear masks??? What is the point??? I have followed restrictions for the past year and half but when we’re getting to the point of so many people being vaccinated but we still have to “hold on” for another few weeks etc….it’s just….I’m wrecked from it all. Even with restaurants open outdoors and all this, still doesn’t change that we are still expected to social distance and wear masks in crowded areas - it’s just not normal life yet. My anxiety is through the roof again this last week and I got the first dose of the vaccine - I should be delighted but it’s like the vaccines aren’t worth a damn at the moment! (I am happy that I got the vaccine though but everything else happening this week has taken away from it, that’s all :-P)

At this point and given the EU response it's hard to believe our government knows what they are doing. I've generally caveated everything as I'm not a virologist but at this point we seem B-O-N-K-E-R-S.

The statistics for mortality etc. do not appear to support the extreme response. If the government knows something we don't they should tell us. €400 million on PCR tests and €38 billion over budget during covid19. It seems mad altogether.

prunudo · 04-07-2021 02:37PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why are you applying a spin to that headline? It is only a statement of fact, the real problem is that you are approaching it with a negative mindset.

Equally I look at it and see just one positive test and that it was a false positive. Isn't that great.

It basically a non news story, yet it is placed as the main headline. Not saying it shouldn't be reported, but it should be placed within the body of any main report of the concert.
They are pushing a fear agenda, if you can't accept that so be it. But its as clear as day they are not providing balanced reporting.

MrMusician18 · 04-07-2021 02:49PM

prunudo wrote: »

It basically a non news story, yet it is placed as the main headline. Not saying it shouldn't be reported, but it should be placed within the body of any main report of the concert.
They are pushing a fear agenda, if you can't accept that so be it. But its as clear as day they are not providing balanced reporting.

If they didn't report it you'd say they were hiding the fact that there was just one positive test and a false one at that. They cannot win.

As long as they report the facts and just the facts - this report is quite literally as series of statements of fact, then no one has a legitimate complaint.

However if you are approaching the story where you believe that they are pushing a fear agenda, well then you will see it everywhere - even where it isn't present. Like in statements of fact

RTE cannot account for your own biases in your head. That's something you only you can deal with tbh.

prunudo · 04-07-2021 02:59PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If they didn't report it you'd say they were hiding the fact that there was just one positive test and a false one at that. They cannot win.

As long as they report the facts and just the facts - this report is quite literally as series of statements of fact, then no one has a legitimate complaint.

However if you are approaching the story where you believe that they are pushing a fear agenda, well then you will see it everywhere - even where it isn't present. Like in statements of fact

RTE cannot account for your own biases in your head. That's something you only you can deal with tbh.

I never said it shouldn't be reported, my post you quoted literally says that. They are reporting, as the main headline, that someone going to pilot event tested positive. Where as, when you dig deeper into the article it turns out that they turned out to be negative when a pcr test was carried out. They are approaching it from a negative angle.

There are people who are hanging on their word, only waiting for a reason to be fearful and be up in arms about crowds of people attending events. A better headline would have been 3,499 negative antigen tests at pilot event.

bucketybuck · 04-07-2021 03:06PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

The universal destruction of Self - Confidence is perhaps the greatest challenge to recovering from this,something I suspect,will see Ireland also bringing up the rear on

It cannot be overstated how much damage is being done to Irelands mindset and ethos, even if the usual suspects here won't acknowledge it.

When you look at our cultural peers such as America and the UK, they both have made it very clear that they want restrictions to end, that they are not prepared to hide away and that their priority is to return to normal as soon as possible. Their leadership stated it explicitly. People will say they have made mistakes but that mindset of theirs is more important than people realise, they want this to end and are fighting for it to end.

Ireland is different, they have not done any of that. They hid under their beds, they have not clearly stated that they find restrictions abhorrent or clearly stated that they will be ended as soon as is possible. US colleges used to talk about the Fighting Irish but those days are gone, Ireland in this pandemic has been nothing but pissy marys, scared and showing no fight whatsoever.

Think of the implications of all this. Young people will be looking at the lack of ambition in ireland, looking at the energy and drive overseas and thinking that they would rather be over there than here with the bedwetters. People tied down to Ireland will be disillusioned with what Ireland has become and so they will be detached from the wider society and stop caring. And those who actually are the cowards will start having a greater influence on society, from now on it will be nothing but offended cowards crying and shaming over every little thing.

The likes of NPHET clearly don't understand human nature and their defenders will dismiss cultural issues as unimportant, but 10/20 years down the line we will all be suffering the real consequences of this pandemic, and it will be nothing to do the virus.

Micky 32 · 04-07-2021 03:06PM

I see The RTE app reporting main headline 1 person out of the 4000 tested positive with an antigen test from the concert last night. Then a further PCR test was negative. Lol why is it even a headline?

PTH2009 · 04-07-2021 03:08PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see The RTE app reporting main headline 1 person out of the 4000 tested positive with an antigen test from the concert last night. Then a further PCR test was negative. Lol why is it even a headline?

Scaremongering

hynesie08 · 04-07-2021 03:08PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see The RTE app reporting main headline 1 person out of the 4000 tested positive with an antigen test from the concert last night. Then a further PCR test was negative. Lol why is it even a headline?

Because it was the first large scale event to use antigen tests and the results are interesting?

bucketybuck · 04-07-2021 03:08PM

prunudo wrote: »

I never said it shouldn't be reported

They reported that a person did not have Covid 19, but used a headline that said that person was positive. Think about that.

Anybody who denies that RTE is following a narrative is willfully ignorant.

PTH2009 · 04-07-2021 03:10PM

Christ it's going to be frustrating when England go back to normal on the 19th July while we might be only getting a rough timeline for reopening indoor hospitality (which prib won't be opening til mid late August if even)

Allinall · 04-07-2021 03:11PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see The RTE app reporting main headline 1 person out of the 4000 tested positive with an antigen test from the concert last night. Then a further PCR test was negative. Lol why is it even a headline?

Are they not allowed report good news stories now?

Doesn’t suit all the outraged anti- everything crew on here.

Micky 32 · 04-07-2021 03:12PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Because it was the first large scale event to use antigen tests and the results are interesting?

Not really. Maybe if the antigen test was correct. It was a false alarm so not even sure how it’s news worthy.

Graham · 04-07-2021 03:12PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

They reported that a person did not have Covid 19, but used a headline that said that person was positive.

No. They didn't

Not sure why there's a determined effort to misinterpret the headline for the purposes of being outraged by it.

There was a (singular) positive test. That's exactly what the headline suggests.

Micky 32 · 04-07-2021 03:14PM

Allinall wrote: »

Are they not allowed report good news stories now?

Doesn’t suit all the outraged anti- everything crew on here.

Get off the high horse. They could have easily reported no positive cases at the festival. That works too. The headline was “one positive covid antigen test at pilot festival “ nice click bait

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