Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Thespoofer wrote: »

Just want to say ( partly unrelated to thread ) that I'm now cheering for England in the Euros.

They've showed up this country in terms of approach to opening up restrictions and with their football.

That is all.

A bit off topic but most of the country supports premier league teams so yeah

As for England's covid response, it has been consistently lacking, from their health Secretary advising a herd immunity approach last March to their idiotic PM shaking hands with covid patients, not supplying the nhs with enough PPE, reopening too early last May, resisting lockdown despite a new variant that was discovered in September, Christmas (need I say more) and then most recently using the term "data not dates" for their reopening plan, then proceeding to list out some dates...

Of course I should mention the British govt played a blinder on the vaccinating rollout, probably the only thing they've done right and on time in the last 16 months

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I wouldn’t be qualified to question NPHETs advice compared with the Uk or some random Euro country advice

Just don’t have the level of expertise to do that

Some posters clearly feel they know better.

Fair play to yee, ye are being wasted posting on here yiz should be in govt buildings advising cabinet some of you !

I certainly Wouldn’t presume to know all the factors for NPHETs recommendations in terms of ireland specific modelling

Just a sec.....You are absolutely Correct in referencing Government Buildings !

YOU as a citizen of this State,assuming you are an adult who's mental function is not in any way impeded,are quite the opposite,You are in fact amongst the only group legally qualified to question the "advice" provided by the expert group.

As a Voter,you can direct your questions directly to this Expert Group via your Local Party representative,or your TD to the relevant MINISTER or TAOISEACH,who are then legally required to act democratically and give due consideration to the wishes of the electorate.....that is how Democracy works.

As other posters have pointed out,NPHET is a team,the members of which have been selected,presumably by a set-process.
This means that there are other "Professionals" who have NOT been selected for membership,and who's views which may be contrarian,are not taken into consideration.

To decry other people,who DO seek greater transparency and Accountability from this "Team" is denying reality and democracy in the one sentence.

I can appreciate your disdain for people who won't "Do what they're Told",but these may the the same people who'se actions eventually lead to a better future for YOU.

Red Silurian wrote: »

A bit off topic but most of the country supports premier league teams so yeah

As for England's covid response, it has been consistently lacking, from their health Secretary advising a herd immunity approach last March to their idiotic PM shaking hands with covid patients, not supplying the nhs with enough PPE, reopening too early last May, resisting lockdown despite a new variant that was discovered in September, Christmas (need I say more) and then most recently using the term "data not dates" for their reopening plan, then proceeding to list out some dates...

Of course I should mention the British govt played a blinder on the vaccinating rollout, probably the only thing they've done right and on time in the last 16 months

New health minister there is getting a trashing on social media atm

https://mobile.twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1411588996979900416

Fandymo wrote: »

How many epidemiologists/virologists have NPHET got? Have they even got anyone qualified in statistical analysis for their modelling??

Y’know, the literal “qualifications desperately required for the management of the pandemic.”

Like the consultant virologist who is the chair of NPHET?

DYOR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

seamus wrote: »

The decision to drop masks is a political one. It's a symbolic gesture rather than one driven by best interests.

Masks, hand washing and capacity limits are the easiest and lowest-cost things you can do. Ditching them makes no sense unless you have driven cases numbers into the ground and achieved herd immunity.

If the UK are not back into some form of restrictions by mid-Autumn, I'll be very surprised.

We had no masks this time last year.. cases were still in the ground.

You could in fact say that when masks were introduced last year, the cases went up!

It's why cases is - and always has been such a poor metric of performance - it's the OUTCOME of those cases that tells you how you're faring against the virus.

seamus wrote: »

The decision to drop masks is a political one. It's a symbolic gesture rather than one driven by best interests.

Masks, hand washing and capacity limits are the easiest and lowest-cost things you can do. Ditching them makes no sense unless you have driven cases numbers into the ground and achieved herd immunity.

If the UK are not back into some form of restrictions by mid-Autumn, I'll be very surprised.

The decision on Ending the Facecover fetish might well be an ecological one,and almost certainly In the best interests of humanity in terms of ACTUAL benefit as opposed to whatever sort of benefit the 90% plus incorrect useage is currently providing.

The Covid 19 Emergency is long over,and Humanity will eventually crawl back out of it's trenches,followed by Ireland.

It's here....deal with it,live with and around it and it will eventually settle at a level suitable to both itself and it's host (Us).

The universal destruction of Self - Confidence is perhaps the greatest challenge to recovering from this,something I suspect,will see Ireland also bringing up the rear on

I feel dirty for thinking this but, I would happily see England win the euros if it meant they could use it as a platform to show the world that all their tests worked, packed stadiums for soccer and very busy courts for Wimbledon, and we could get back to travelling and tourism and get my bloody life back, I will cheer them on if this was the outcome

Santan wrote: »

I feel dirty for thinking this but, I would happily see England win the euros if it meant they could use it as a platform to show the world that all their tests worked, packed stadiums for soccer and very busy courts for Wimbledon, and we could get back to travelling and tourism and get my bloody life back, I will cheer them on if this was the outcome

Nah we'd still have to run more of our own "test events" with 100 people in Croke Park first, just to be seen to be doing something.

AlekSmart wrote: »

The decision on Ending the Facecover fetish might well be an ecological one,and almost certainly In the best interests of humanity in terms of ACTUAL benefit as opposed to whatever sort of benefit the 90% plus incorrect useage is currently providing.

The Covid 19 Emergency is long over,and Humanity will eventually crawl back out of it's trenches,followed by Ireland.

It's here....deal with it,live with and around it and it will eventually settle at a level suitable to both itself and it's host (Us).

The universal destruction of Self - Confidence is perhaps the greatest challenge to recovering from this,something I suspect,will see Ireland also bringing up the rear on

I sure hope hand washing does not down. He'll those hygiene dispenser are the 1 thing I hope are kept.

As for the destruction of self confidence speak for yourself I know no one who has lost it

Jimi H wrote: »

Was listening to Paul Reid this morning. He was saying that although only 16 are in ICU for Covid, there were very few ICU beds available. I think he said 230 (or possibly 260 can’t remember) ICU beds were occupied at the moment and the hospitals were very busy. Anyway, by the sound of it we have very little capacity to take on even a small increase in hospitality rate. We’ve had so many years of a poorly run health service and it’s come back to bite.

It would seem that amongst the Qualifications to be CEO of any Irish Governmental Agency is to possess a Hard-Neck.

The HSE's own 2009 report,and the later 2018 report were VERY clear about ICU capacity.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/publications/clinical-strategy-and-programmes/towards-excellence-in-critical-care-report.pdf

The number of critical care beds should be increased by 45% from 289 to 418 beds. This will need to increase sequentially to 579 over the period 2010to 2020.

For cryin out loud,can no Journalist be found who is prepared to actively address the REAL Health Emergency with these lad's...? (HINT: It has nothing to do with Covid)

Touching me touching you !

https://twitter.com/BoxparkWembley/status/1411438995683303429

Deeper Blue wrote: »

How many extra ICU beds have we added since March 2020? Surely this would have been a priority since day 1???

I think I already know the answer

So I’m nearly sure he said 260 ICU beds were in use now that I think of it. I think we originally had 260-280 and I think the presenter said afterwards that we have 305 in total. Anyway it’s the middle of summer and it sounded like the hospitals could easily be overrun so god knows what winter would be like.