Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JRant

bear1 wrote: »

Which would mean what for anyone wanting to come to Ireland? The idiotic PCR test requirement right?

You spelled "gold standard" wrong there

Wolf359f

JRant wrote: »

Speaking of vast sums of money. Michael McNamara received a response from the HSE via a FOI request.

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1410932851005136901?s=19

Looks like the guts of 400 million has been spent to date on PCR testing. We'll probably clear half a billion before the year is out.

Big figures, how does that compare to other countries?
Should we test less to save money or charge the public for tests?

Ah the CT cycle question, always good to stir up the false positives/picking up historic infections issue that's been debunked so many times.

JRant

Wolf359f wrote: »

Big figures, how does that compare to other countries?
Should we test less to save money or charge the public for tests?

Ah the CT cycle question, always good to stir up the false positives/picking up historic infections issue that's been debunked so many times.

No idea how it stacks up to other countries. It is a lot of money for this country though.

What sort of oversight is being carried out?

What was the tendering process for awarding such large contracts?

These are reasonable questions to be asking.

I don't care about the cycle numbers given in the other response being honest. It's a little misunderstood so people get their knickers in a twist over it. In fact I did as well at the start until it was explained to me.

questionmark?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You actually couldn't pay me enough to go to a 'penned in' concert. I wouldn't bother wasting my time.

Your mistake there was calling it a 'concert'. That was not a concert like it goes against everything a concert is meant to be.

Wolf359f

JRant wrote: »

No idea how it stacks up to other countries. It is a lot of money for this country though.

It's a **** load of money, however, we simply don't know if we're paying 10x what other countries pay or the same as they pay.

What sort of oversight is being carried out?

Absolutely no clue tbh.

What was the tendering process for awarding such large contracts?

It's over the amount where it would need to go to a European tender, we can have a bidding war for a few weeks and find the cheapest price, it may involve shipping samples 1000 miles away and results back in a week..... realistically the contract would be staying in Ireland (for obvious reasons). Testing capacity was so hampered initially, so I highly doubt there was any labs who could have done PCR tests that was overlooked.

These are reasonable questions to be asking.

I don't care about the cycle numbers given in the other response being honest. It's a little misunderstood so people get their knickers in a twist over it. In fact I did as well at the start until it was explained to me.

Glad you get the CT numbers, it annoys me that's still being brought up.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

That was on the 30th April- over 2 months ago.

jeez i could have swore it was only the other day :eek:

MOR316

I didn't think it could get worse than the Iveagh Gardens incident but...I genuinely don't know what to say.

Friend of mine who works in the media was there. Says it was great for the headlines but, not the true story

I honest to God have no words...

Ha, I really want to type something but nothing is coming to mind... I never saw this coming

Del Griffith

I'd rather get covid than watch Gavin James but that aside, I don't understand what they're testing with these 'test events'. We already know that if you're outdoor and social distanced it's going to lesson/eliminate spread.

So what is the point of a hosting an gig like this?

Do they think this is what events will be like now? Segregated cattle pens, are they taking the piss?

Why not do pre-testing and do an outdoors event with no distancing, then post-testing 72 hours later? We might actually learn something.

As for this:



Absolutely pathetic, and really bizarre.

dodzy

Watching Wimbledon centre court yesterday and reading the last page of this thread. The mind boggles. I just knew we’d f**k this up. I just under estimated how much

Dr. Bre

Del Griffith wrote: »

I'd rather get covid than watch Gavin James but that aside, I don't understand what they're testing with these 'test events'. We already know that if you're outdoor and social distanced it's going to lesson/eliminate spread.

So what is the point of a hosting an gig like this?

Do they think this is what events will be like now? Segregated cattle pens, are they taking the piss?

Why not do pre-testing and do an outdoors event with no distancing, then post-testing 72 hours later? We might actually learn something.

As for this:



Absolutely pathetic, and really bizarre.

Straight out of China that

is_that_so

JRant wrote: »

Speaking of vast sums of money. Michael McNamara received a response from the HSE via a FOI request.

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1410932851005136901?s=19

Looks like the guts of 400 million has been spent to date on PCR testing. We'll probably clear half a billion before the year is out.

He could have called Paul Reid! These numbers were projected very early last year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-test-and-trace-system-could-cost-700-million-says-hse-chief-paul-reid-1.4367357

Relax brah

Am I the only clown still checking in on that covid tracker app?

They haven’t updated case numbers since 29th of June and haven’t updated vaccine numbers since 11th of May.

bear1

Don't think Ireland will ever be the same again.
Sad really.

Chivito550

Relax brah wrote: »

Am I the only clown still checking in on that covid tracker app?

They haven’t updated case numbers since 29th of June and haven’t updated vaccine numbers since 11th of May.

Downloaded it the day it was launched, deleted it a week later, and have never reinstalled it since.

_Kaiser_

dodzy wrote: »

Watching Wimbledon centre court yesterday and reading the last page of this thread. The mind boggles. I just knew we’d f**k this up. I just under estimated how much

It's like I've said before.. We can't just learn from others or simply adopt their already proven to work practises without giving it enough of an "Irish twist" to completely defeat the purpose, or actually make the thing it was supposed to address worse.

I think it's because in each case there has to be an angle and "nice little earner" in it for someone.
Take rent controls.. Supposedly the changes were there to benefit and give security to tenants - instead prices are at ridiculous levels, people can't afford to live where they want/need to, and vulture funds are making a fortune. But on the surface, the Government has limited rent increases and secured tenancies.

Equally this... Someone is getting paid for supplying all those tests and the crowd control barriers/sheep pens. But on the surface, we've held another test event that will bring us one step closer to reopening.

It's the usual Irish way of being more concerned about being seen to be doing something, regardless of what the results are - as long as someone is making something from it, that's the main thing!

_Kaiser_

Chivito550 wrote: »

Downloaded it the day it was launched, deleted it a week later, and have never reinstalled it since.

I deleted it when they had the battery drain problem with it shortly after launch. Couldn't understand why my Note 9 was completely dead one morning when it was about 70% charged going to bed, and why it was getting so hot during the day, but once I uninstalled that app, both problems went away and I didn't bother putting it back on

giveitholly

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's like I've said before.. We can't just learn from others or simply adopt their already proven to work practises without giving it enough of an "Irish twist" to completely defeat the purpose, or actually make the thing it was supposed to address worse.

I think it's because in each case there has to be an angle and "nice little earner" in it for someone.
Take rent controls.. Supposedly the changes were there to benefit and give security to tenants - instead prices are at ridiculous levels, people can't afford to live where they want/need to, and vulture funds are making a fortune. But on the surface, the Government has limited rent increases and secured tenancies.

Equally this... Someone is getting paid for supplying all those tests and the crowd control barriers/sheep pens. But on the surface, we've held another test event that will bring us one step closer to reopening.

It's the usual Irish way of being more concerned about being seen to be doing something, regardless of what the results are.

Was that Eamon Ryan's brother interviewed on Rte news when they were talking about the antigen testing?

_Kaiser_

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Straight out of China that

That CAN'T be real though? I know the hash-tag is, but was that image verified anywhere else? For one thing it seems to clear for a picture taken outdoors on a mobile?

emo72

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That CAN'T be real though? I know the hash-tag is, but was that image verified anywhere else? For one thing it seems to clear for a picture taken outdoors on a mobile?

I'd be shocked if that was real.

Feria40

Perhaps this has been touched on already but with all the additional vaccines expected to arrive in the coming weeks from Romania etc. will the covid pass not be be null and void within a very short period of time?

I mean is there even a point?

They’re supposed to be looking at antigen as well now. The cert could expire as well if they bring in boosters. Not sure if that’s happening yet though but was mentioned for Uk a while back

I ran away to the UK a while back, hence not posting in this thread much. That, and the open pubs.

Listening to Sajid Javid this morning acknowledging that opening up is not only about the economy but about health as well, saying some deaths will continue but we need to irreversibly end lockdown measures. Positive talk today about dropping mandatory masks on 19th and emphasis on personal responsibilities.

And then there’s the Irish news. Depressing.

Not sure I’ll ever go home at this rate.

M_Murphy57

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I ran away to the UK a while back, hence not posting in this thread much. That, and the open pubs.

Listening to Sajid Javid this morning acknowledging that opening up is not only about the economy but about health as well, saying some deaths will continue but we need to irreversibly end lockdown measures. Positive talk today about dropping mandatory masks on 19th and emphasis on personal responsibilities.

And then there’s the Irish news. Depressing.

Not sure I’ll ever go home at this rate.

I was in the UK this week for a brief visit. Its like night and day compared to here. Moving on with reopening, trusting adults to exercise personal responsibility.

Meanwhile we have no plans for an end date, no clear exit strategy and Philip nolan talking on twitter as if 95% efficacy means the inevitable deaths of 5% of the population. And these are the great minds our taoiseach is petrified to be seen to go against.

I'm also considering permanent relocation at this point.

gozunda

Protest in Dublin yesterday...

https://m.independent.ie/videos/protestors-gather-on-dublins-oconnell-street-calling-for-an-end-to-lockdown-and-restrictions-40609375.html

tigger123

gozunda wrote: »

Protest in Dublin yesterday...

https://m.independent.ie/videos/protestors-gather-on-dublins-oconnell-street-calling-for-an-end-to-lockdown-and-restrictions-40609375.html

How does discrimination come into it???

amlinopta

giveitholly wrote: »

Was that Eamon Ryan's brother interviewed on Rte news when they were talking about the antigen testing?

Yes

Cal4567

The trouble is our government and policy makers are too proud to admit that we don't really need all these test events because there is enough evidence externally now to use, but no, we have to go through these ridiculous scenarios to show how they are leading us out of this.

Probably it was very easy to manipulate the population before the internet connected us thankfully to the outside world. Not anymore.

All the time also just ignoring how we have another jurisdiction on this island that we can all freely go to, that is 6/8 weeks ahead of us, never mind the pictures of Wimbledon, the Euros etc.

Is it no wonder we can never really take our 'leaders' that seriously. Very amusing if it was not so serious.

leahyl

There must be something we don’t know?? I’m really struggling at this point to understand how an outdoor gig with 8k people as a “test” event has people separated into pods of 6 and they have to wear masks??? What is the point??? I have followed restrictions for the past year and half but when we’re getting to the point of so many people being vaccinated but we still have to “hold on” for another few weeks etc….it’s just….I’m wrecked from it all. Even with restaurants open outdoors and all this, still doesn’t change that we are still expected to social distance and wear masks in crowded areas - it’s just not normal life yet. My anxiety is through the roof again this last week and I got the first dose of the vaccine - I should be delighted but it’s like the vaccines aren’t worth a damn at the moment! (I am happy that I got the vaccine though but everything else happening this week has taken away from it, that’s all :-P)

Del Griffith

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That CAN'T be real though? I know the hash-tag is, but was that image verified anywhere else? For one thing it seems to clear for a picture taken outdoors on a mobile?

Don't find that one hard to believe at all, it fits perfectly on-message with all the other media.

Not 100% sure about this one though..

gozunda

tigger123 wrote: »

How does discrimination come into it???

I was wondering the same. Seems some anti vax sentiments at the protest. Not sure if the discrimination thing was related.