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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • #4452
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,175 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Acosta wrote: »
    What's with kids not having to wear masks in shops? I was just in a centra where there was 5 other adults plus 3 staff working all wearing masks. There was 9 unsupervised maskless kids running around the place running into people. I know they're not obliged to wear them, I just don't get the logic behind it.

    It's not about logic, we can justabout get adults to follow the rules and your post contains the clue 'unsupervised'. Expecting parents to supervise their children in public these days to the extent that a shop isn't a playground is a thought crime.

    If a kid can tie their shoe laces they can wear a mask.
    If they are younger than that their parents should have them under supervision.
    Or not bring them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4453
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    We'll be through the typical season for respiratory viruses, and we hopefully will have enough people vaccinated & boosted and no breakthrough variants will have emerged... to be at herd immunity.

    What's vaccinations like in third world countries? This pandemic isn't over until everyone gets a vaccine, not just in Ireland or Europe but everywhere. Covid is too contagious and it gets around very easily. The problem is new variants and whether vaccines will work on the new variant. I think this is something alot of people are forgetting. It will come back to us again.


  • #4454
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,175 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    What's vaccinations like in third world countries? This pandemic isn't over until everyone gets a vaccine, not just in Ireland or Europe but everywhere. Covid is too contagious and it gets around very easily. The problem is new variants and whether vaccines will work on the new variant. I think this is something alot of people are forgetting. It will come back to us again.

    I think it still has to get traction, I don't think the COVAX deliveries really rolled out yet and I expect a lot of vaccine reluctance unfortunately. The posters on the main vaccines thread would have a better idea, I don't want to de-rail this thread although it is an interesting point.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4455
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Acosta wrote: »
    What's with kids not having to wear masks in shops? I was just in a centra where there was 5 other adults plus 3 staff working all wearing masks. There was 9 unsupervised maskless kids running around the place running into people. I know they're not obliged to wear them, I just don't get the logic behind it.

    Perhaps undertake a Risk-Assessment before you enter the premises ?

    If you've enough time to head-count 17 other humans in a Centra,then perhaps you've enough time to decide to take your business elsewhere ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4456
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Perhaps undertake a Risk-Assessment before you enter the premises ?

    If you've enough time to head-count 17 other humans in a Centra,then perhaps you've enough time to decide to take your business elsewhere ?

    That is such bad advice, we're still meant to use our common sense here and going from shop to shop probably isn't the best thing to be doing.


  • #4457
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Acosta wrote: »
    What's with kids not having to wear masks in shops? I know they're not obliged to wear them, I just don't get the logic behind it.

    The logic given behind kids(children under 13) not having to wear masks in the community(shops) was that it would be a choking hazard. see post #3297

    Considering 1-3 year olds do 50% of the choking, 3-6 year olds do 25-35% and 6-9 year olds do the majority of the remaining choking, I would not be surprised if 9-13 year olds who are pretty much at similar odds with adults regrading choking are requested to mask up in shops in the future.

    Bear in mind, choking content is 50+% of the time foodstuffs with batteries and small objects, toys, crayons, marker caps etc making up the rest.

    More chance of a child getting admitted to A&E for posioning/consuming alcohol hand gel than choking on a mask.

    The EAG had been torn down the middle regarding masks for months at this point, IMO they just shelved mask weaing for children under 13 so that they could get the adults over the line.


  • #4458
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,921 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    https://twitter.com/jpmc25/status/1411441958543888385?s=21

    Funny how the press are only showing him outside Semple with his face mask on greeting people.


  • #4459
    Acosta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭Acosta


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Perhaps undertake a Risk-Assessment before you enter the premises ?

    If you've enough time to head-count 17 other humans in a Centra,then perhaps you've enough time to decide to take your business elsewhere ?

    I was already queuing at the point all the kids came in, which is why I had to time to observe and do a headcount smart arse.


  • #4460
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Nothing's going to happen with it until every adult who wants to be fully vaccinated is done.
    Then it'll come down to case count and what variants of concern there are.
    Israel lifted their indoor mask mandates and then restored them cos of the delta variant.
    They might be with us in shops and public transport until next spring.
    There will always be variants of concern. a) because there will always be variants and b) someone in Ireland will be concerned about them.


  • #4461
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    There will always be variants of concern. a) because there will always be variants and b) someone in Ireland will be concerned about them.

    Not exactly true. They start out as variants of interest. It's only when they look like trouble that they get upgraded.


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  • #4462
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Grab All Association wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jpmc25/status/1411441958543888385?s=21

    Funny how the press are only showing him outside Semple with his face mask on greeting people.

    Because nobody cares anymore, including our "leaders". If you think he doesn't take off that mask the minute he's off camera at the press briefings then you'd be wrong.

    As for the post above complaining about young kids not masked in shops - if you're that worried, stay home and order your groceries online.

    We really have to stop indulging those who are spending more time bothering themselves about what others aren't doing, and complaining that they don't feel the same concern, and get on with it, especially with the vaccination progress and those most elderly and most at risk almost entirely vaccinated at this point.

    By all means, people should mask up if they feel better or safer by doing so, but that's about it.


  • #4463
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    The UK have said that masks will be down to personal choice from July 19th, knowing the idiots we have running the country into the ground we should get that option around paddys day.


  • #4464
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Perhaps undertake a Risk-Assessment before you enter the premises ?

    If you've enough time to head-count 17 other humans in a Centra,then perhaps you've enough time to decide to take your business elsewhere ?

    It's hard to make risk assessment, you never know how many assholes you'll meet at the time you decide to do shopping. Some peeps don't even see those yellow stickers (hard to miss imo ) on the floor. And some peeps still don't understand they should cover not only mouth, but nose as well. Hard to make any risk assessments..


  • #4465
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Because nobody cares anymore, including our "leaders". If you think he doesn't take off that mask the minute he's off camera at the press briefings then you'd be wrong.

    As for the post above complaining about young kids not masked in shops - if you're that worried, stay home and order your groceries online.

    We really have to stop indulging those who are spending more time bothering themselves about what others aren't doing, and complaining that they don't feel the same concern, and get on with it, especially with the vaccination progress and those most elderly and most at risk almost entirely vaccinated at this point.

    By all means, people should mask up if they feel better or safer by doing so, but that's about it.

    And we are back to this again..


  • #4466
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    And we are back to this again..

    Because it's true. We were never going to be able to mandate the behaviour of an entire country in response to a disease that, as it turns out, is of little risk to the vast majority of people living here.

    This is even more so with the progress of the vaccination programme.

    I know the current situation has been like mana from heaven for those same people who spent their time in the Tiger days watching the neighbours getting new decking and BMWs, and who in the Recession times bothered themselves with what those neighbours were getting (or getting away with) that they weren't, but I'm afraid the public mood has turned with regards Covid as more information has emerged, and the decisions and pronouncements from NPHET and others here that doesn't line up with what anyone can see for themselves is happening elsewhere.

    It's time to move on and join the now majority of people who are.


  • #4467
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Because it's true. We were never going to be able to mandate the behaviour of an entire country in response to a disease that, as it turns out, is of little risk to the vast majority of people living here.

    This is even more so with the progress of the vaccination programme.

    I know the current situation has been like mana from heaven for those same people who spent their time in the Tiger days watching the neighbours getting new decking and BMWs, and who in the Recession times bothered themselves with what those neighbours were getting (or getting away with) that they weren't, but I'm afraid the public mood has turned with regards Covid as more information has emerged, and the decisions and pronouncements from NPHET and others here that doesn't line up with what anyone can see for themselves is happening elsewhere.

    It's time to move on and join the now majority of people who are.

    To be honest, I have no idea what are you talking about.


  • #4468
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    To be honest, I have no idea what are you talking about.

    It's very simple... the same people texting radio stations and posting on social media complaining about people not following restrictions or not taking it as seriously as they do, are the same people who in the Good and Bad times were more concerned about what their neighbours had or were getting away with that they didn't/weren't (Leo even tried to capitalise on it with his "Welfare cheats cheat us all" campaign)

    Begrudgery, envy and curtain-twitching is the unofficial national sport, but such people are always best ignored.

    Hope that helps clarify for you.


  • #4469
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Because nobody cares anymore.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's time to move on and join the now majority of people who are.

    Which is it? Nobody cares or the now majority?

    Words matter.

    BTW still waiting for you to answer this post #4282

    Little reminder below.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    That reminds me. Did they formally sign the extension into law in the end?

    Last I read it technically has expired


  • #4470
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Seanergy wrote: »
    Which is it? Nobody cares or the now majority?

    Words matter.

    BTW still waiting for you to answer this post #4282

    Little reminder below.

    *sigh* if we're resorting to being pedantic now well then I'm not sure I can help much, but sure..

    - No-one cares what NPHET are advising hence why the majority of people are moving on - look around you and you should see that for yourself.

    - The other one you're so fixated on (but I'm touched you care so much!) was a question to the floor for input.

    Of course you knew all the above already I'm sure but you mustn't have much of an argument though if it's this nonsense you're resorting to.


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  • #4471
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Because nobody cares anymore, including our "leaders". If you think he doesn't take off that mask the minute he's off camera at the press briefings then you'd be wrong.

    As for the post above complaining about young kids not masked in shops - if you're that worried, stay home and order your groceries online.

    We really have to stop indulging those who are spending more time bothering themselves about what others aren't doing, and complaining that they don't feel the same concern, and get on with it, especially with the vaccination progress and those most elderly and most at risk almost entirely vaccinated at this point.

    By all means, people should mask up if they feel better or safer by doing so, but that's about it.

    The good news is if you're unhappy with what's happening you can move to the UK because they're relaxing restrictions on the 19th of July.


  • #4472
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    The good news is if you're unhappy with what's happening you can move to the UK because they're relaxing restrictions on the 19th of July.

    And if I wasn't tied to this country for family reasons that's probably exactly what I'd do to be honest (or possibly somewhere else entirely), and not just because of our Covid response.

    But "if you don't like it, leave" is always a poor answer to poor standards.


  • #4473
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And if I wasn't tied to this country for family reasons that's probably exactly what I'd do to be honest (or possibly somewhere else entirely), and not just because of our Covid response.

    But "if you don't like it, leave" is always a poor answer to poor standards.

    So is your answer to another poster telling them to stay at home not a poor answer as well? Or are you allowed to be a hypocrite and have different standards. Enjoy your move to the UK.


  • #4474
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    *sigh* if we're resorting to being pedantic now well then I'm not sure I can help much, but sure..

    you mustn't have much of an argument though if it's this nonsense you're resorting to.

    Nothing pedantic about it, it's black and white, you either lied/exagerated in thread or you mis read it and are too proud to admit you made a mistake.

    For the fourth time of asking where did you read that the mask legislation had "technically expired"


  • #4475
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Acosta wrote: »
    I was already queuing at the point all the kids came in, which is why I had to time to observe and do a headcount smart arse.

    Nothing smart-arse about it,in fact what you now suggest is that you were in a dynamic queing environment,not on the shop floor,and yet devoted time to counting,presumably moving individuals ?

    Were there many in the queue ?
    Was it an outdoor queue ?
    Was it windy or raining ?
    Did the unfacecovered children spend more than 15 minutes in direct face to face contact with you ?

    This is where a mere headcount is'nt enough though.

    As another poster pointed out,online shopping and doorstep delivery is about the only way,I can see to allay your fears in this particular regard.

    It may yet transpire that Society will require two seperate routes out of the current situation.

    One for those who have retained or developed a sense of Confidence,Purpose or Risk Acceptance.

    One for those who are less confident,and/or requiring additional specific supports at all levels before re-entering greater Society.

    Not an easy call I'm afraid ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4476
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Seanergy wrote: »
    Nothing pedantic about it, it's black and white, you either lied/exagerated in thread or you mis read it and are too proud to admit you made a mistake.

    For the fourth time of asking where did you read that the mask legislation had "technically expired"

    The posters error is,in part down to the methods by which Government has stretched out the specific provisions of Sec 31 A or the 1947 Health Act.

    Very little active debate,and all the relevant details well placed away from Public Gaze.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/act/1/enacted/en/html

    Perhaps the most relevant part of the entire legislation is the following....
    An Act, to make exceptional provision, in the public interest and having regard to the manifest and grave risk to human life and public health posed by the spread of the disease known as Covid-19 and in order to mitigate, where practicable, the effect of the spread of the disease known as Covid-19, to amend the Health Act 1947 to confer a power on the Minister for Health to make regulations prohibiting or restricting the holding of certain events or access to certain premises and to provide for enforcement measures; to provide for powers for certain medical officers of health to order, in certain circumstances, the detention of persons who are suspected to be potential sources of infection with the disease known as Covid-19 and to provide for enforcement measures in that regard; and to confer on the Minister for Health the power to designate areas as areas of infection of Covid-19 and to provide for related matters; to amend and extend the Social Welfare Acts to provide for amendments in relation to entitlement to illness benefit for persons who have been diagnosed with, or are a probable source of infection with the disease known as Covid-19; and to provide for amendments in relation to jobseeker’s benefit and jobseeker’s allowance to mitigate the economic effects of the spread of the disease known as Covid-19; and to provide for related matters.


    [20th March, 2020]


    WHEREAS an emergency has arisen of such character that it is necessary for compelling reasons of public interest and for the common good that extraordinary measures should be taken to deal with the immediate, exceptional and manifest risk to human life and public health posed by the spread of the disease known as Covid-19;


    AND WHEREAS the State is and its citizens are, in significant respects, highly exposed to the effect of the spread of the disease known as Covid-19; and having regard to the constitutional duty of the State to respect and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate the rights of citizens to life and to bodily integrity, it is necessary to introduce a range of extraordinary measures and safeguards to prevent, minimise, limit or slow the risk of persons being infected with the disease known as Covid-19;


    AND WHEREAS as a consequence it is necessary for the State to take the measures in this Act to address the emergency and to defend and vindicate the rights of citizens to life and to bodily integrity;

    Public Transport,for example is covered (!) by a new S.I. (273) which amends the original S.I.244 in regard of timescale. (Now required until the 9Th NOVEMBER 2021.

    What's the bets we'll see Santy Beard Covid Masks for sale on Henry St for Christmas ? :D


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • #4477
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    The posters error is,in part down to the methods by which Government has.....

    No it is not, poster said according to this.
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    That reminds me. Did they formally sign the extension into law in the end?

    Last I read it technically has expired
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    According to this...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/president-asked-to-sign-draconian-emergency-covid-19-bill-early-1.4584345%3fmode=amp

    It was to go to Higgins to sign but did he actually do so?

    You cannot blame the government in part for this.

    If it was a misread by the poster, the 2nd paragraph is the only real option, or the poster was spreading misinformation.

    2nd paragpraph:

    The Upper House agreed, without a vote, an “early signature motion” requesting the President to sign the Bill into law before next Wednesday when the powers would otherwise lapse.


  • #4478
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    For the fourth time of asking where did you read that the mask legislation had "technically expired"

    The fourth time! Why on earth are you badgering somebody about such a trivial thing, all he did was ask a question?


  • #4479
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    So Margaret Buttimer spent the weekend in prison.

    She was due to appear in court on Friday but instead managed to get herself arrested on Thursday for breaching the conditions of her bail.

    She will be in court today.

    https://www.southernstar.ie/news/bandon-gran-remanded-to-limerick-prison-for-the-weekend-4226004


  • #4480
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Seanergy wrote: »
    So Margaret Buttimer spent the weekend in prison.

    She was due to appear in court on Friday but instead managed to get herself arrested on Thursday for breaching the conditions of her bail.

    She will be in court today.

    https://www.southernstar.ie/news/bandon-gran-remanded-to-limerick-prison-for-the-weekend-4226004

    The poor woman, you think some family would step in to take care of her.


  • #4481
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    The fourth time! Why on earth are you badgering somebody about such a trivial thing, all he did was ask a question?

    *Clap Clap* :D . I think some people really need to make others feel publicly put down, rather than just letting it go and continuing to have a chat.

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  • #4482
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    The fourth time! Why on earth are you badgering somebody about such a trivial thing, all he did was ask a question?

    Why are on earth are you inserting yourself into something without knowing the slightest bit about it?

    Poster did not ask a question. Poster made a statement. When questioned about the statement, he cited literature, which on examaination did not say what the poster said it did, in original statement.

    Why, because this is exactly how misinformation spreads. A few posts later in reply to the poster's 'Last I read it technically has expired' we get this.
    Gortanna wrote: »
    I've been wondering about that as well. I heard it had expired and that it hadn't been extended. But maybe it was extended.

    I read, I heard, misinformation, Trivial?


  • #4483
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    manonboard wrote: »
    *Clap Clap* :D . I think some people really need to make others feel publicly put down, rather than just letting it go and continuing to have a chat.

    Big difference between putting someone down and pulling them up.

    BTW that has to be the sealiest thing posted in this thread :D


  • #4484
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's very simple... the same people texting radio stations and posting on social media complaining about people not following restrictions or not taking it as seriously as they do, are the same people who in the Good and Bad times were more concerned about what their neighbours had or were getting away with that they didn't/weren't (Leo even tried to capitalise on it with his "Welfare cheats cheat us all" campaign)

    Begrudgery, envy and curtain-twitching is the unofficial national sport, but such people are always best ignored.

    Hope that helps clarify for you.

    I'm sorry, but nope!

    That kind of behaviour was here well before covid and I believe it's gonna stay with us for eternity.

    Still haven't got a clue what does it have to do with the mask wearing. The least restrictive measure.


  • #4485
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Does anyone know if she had been vaccinated, or is she against that too?


    She opted not to receive the Covid-19 vaccine.


  • #4486
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Seanergy wrote: »
    I don't, but if this is anything to go by, in her first trial, Judge Roberts queried whether Ms Buttimer had previously suggested she may have a medical reason for refusing to wear a mask but she denied this and said: "I feel it is my freedom is being taken."

    Any anti-maskers in thread got the jab yet?

    She may well find out the true definition of freedom being taken away fairly soon.

    I’ve had both my AZ jabs. For all the good it’s done.


  • #4487
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Seanergy wrote: »
    She opted not to receive the Covid-19 vaccine.

    Poor woman


  • #4488
    Leinster90
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Leinster90


    Has anyone else noticed it’s mostly just skangers and lowlifes who dont wear masks in shops and on public transport now?


  • #4489
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Margaret Buttimer got jailed, 90 days. Judge said it was a case of duties and rights, something that has been discussed on here at great length.

    She got 30 days per breach with the Judge holding back and keeping two breaches in the back pocket.

    Her solicitor will not appeal.

    Fingers crossed she returns to her family with a changed attitude and does not slip onto any other path.



  • #4490
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    https://boards.ie/discussion/2058111744/to-mask-or-not-to-two-mask-megathread-cont

    Original(Part1) thread is missing.



  • #4491
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    This transparent surgical mask just got FDA approved. There is no filter. The air goes in and comes out the sides.

    Screen Shot 2021-07-17 at 14.52.12.png




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  • #4492
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Only 18 fines issued by AGS in June. I can't see compliance increasing only decreasing.

    Mask-wearing in Ireland is slipping, but compliance will likely increase as Delta rises


    https://www.thejournal.ie/public-health-measures-covid19-5494918-Jul2021/




  • #4493
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    https://twitter.com/JeromeAdamsMD/status/1416536968821886977
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  • #4494
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Trust me - I know more than anyone

    😀



  • #4495
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy



    https://www.burnet.edu.au/news/1473_

    The mandating of masks during Melbourne’s COVID-19 second wave in July 2020 was the single-most important control measure and “turned the epidemic around”, new world-leading Burnet Institute research shows.

    “It was the critical step that turned it around.”



  • #4496
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645794#Comment_117645794

    How will all those anti-maskers cope with this news? But masks don't work!!!



  • #4497
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628695#Comment_117628695

    They wrongly advised against masks and had people think distancing was the best option. Well it is if someone is sick, that is obvious. With this it is completely different, being infectious before showing symptoms.



    Not to mention, to save face our own crowd are continuing on saying that masks aren't a substitute for distancing.


    Maybe with the next pandemic they might have better management of it. A year and a half into this one, nothing will change now.



  • #4498
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    The HSE Antimicrobial Resistance and Infection Control (AMRIC) division is “considering” the findings of a preprint study which reported that introduction of FFP3 respirators on Covid-19 wards provided up to 100 per cent protection against direct ward-based infection in healthcare workers (HCWs).

    Current HSE guidance states HCWs should have access to a FFP2 mask (and eye protection) when in contact with possible or confirmed Covid-19 cases and contacts.

    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/hse-considering-ffp3-mask-study-findings/


    Meanwhile, the HSE has agreed “an updated purchasing policy” for PPE of maintaining a minimum 12-week contingency stock, based on weekly demand derived from IPC clinical guidance.

    “In addition to the contingency stock, the HSE currently holds 26 weeks of type IIR surgical masks and 22 weeks of FFP2 respirator masks. The supply of FFP3s and PARPs [powered air-purifying respirators] is managed outside the national PPE supply chain, as neither of these products are included in the World Health Organisation recommendations for supply of PPE to meet Covid-19 requirements.”

    In the week commencing 5 July, demand for type IIR surgical masks was 4.09 million units and for FFP2 masks it was 0.069 million. Prices for type IIR surgical masks range between €0.09 and €0.23, while prices for FFP2 masks range from €1.10 to €1.50 depending on source of supply.



  • #4499
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645991#Comment_117645991

    It seems "all those anti - maskers" are coping well enough,as in,they remain alive and able to protest.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-updates/f89536f0-7942-4b9d-8a6d-99fb69d95400

    Victoria Police have vowed to take action after thousands of anti-lockdown protestors have marched through Melbourne today, defying current public health orders.

    Demonstrators sprawled across the city and outnumbered the hundreds of police officers in attendance, to oppose the current COVID-19 lockdown.

    It sure looks more widely supported than the Irish equivalent on Grafton St ?

    Australia in general now appears to have a rapidly increasing Public Confidence and Order situation,drawing upon it's much lauded early "Shut the Door" policy,which now seems largely discounted ?

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-nsw-fines-sydney-lockdown-parties/50e2f654-23af-4876-99d7-d0f8394c92f4

    We may yet see the Antipodes as the crucible of some form of mass reluctance to accept the policies of unelected "Experts","Advisers" and Politicians who seem uniquely detached from the needs of the sans culottes.

    The next 10 days will be interesting Down Under.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4500
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645991#Comment_117645991

    What an anti-masker (like I am) will say is that the linked article is heavy on grand statements and light (non-existent?) on numbers, methodologies and facts. If there is an actual study I would like the see the figures and the methodology and the conclusions and how they arrived at them. Not just 10 paragraphs of how masks turned it around and are great over and over again.



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  • #4501
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117656686#Comment_117656686

    You clearly didn't read the study that was linked in the article.



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