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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #7652
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Why did NPHET refuse to support antigen testing?

    Because the findings from the working group found that they are not suitable for once off green light testing.

    Before you implement a national testing strategy you have to evaluate it for specific settings. Methods, tests, results, statistics and conclusions. Real world data, not what manufactures claim.

    https://twitter.com/stapalato/status/1404503264377327625?s=19


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    #7653
    Always_Running
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Last 5 Thursdays

    1/7/21 - in hospital 44 in ICU 14
    24/6/21 - in hospital 47 in ICU 13
    17/6/21 - in hospital 54 in ICU 18
    10/6/21 - in hospital 70 in ICU 23
    3/6/21 - in hospital 84 in ICU 30


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    #7654
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,120 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    On May 12th total deaths were 4937

    https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-latest-figures-28-5435091-May2021/

    Total deaths today 1st July is 5000

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0701/1232493-covid-figures-nphet/

    So in other words in 50 days a total of 63 people have died who had previously been had a positive Covid diagnosis in the previous 30 days, not exactly end of days material.

    RIP 5000
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #7655
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,013 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Before you implement a national testing strategy you have to evaluate it for specific settings. Methods, tests, results, statistics and conclusions. Real world data, not what manufactures claim.

    Here's some real-world data:

    Ireland: 61 cases/million, no indoor dining, no antigen testing.
    Germany: 6 cases/million, indoor dining, antigen testing.


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    #7656
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Are the figures back for electoral areas and their incidence rate?


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    #7657
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Possible :pac::pac::pac:

    New Cases (deaths)

    UK 27,989 (22)
    Italy 882 (21)
    Germany 201 (28)
    You're comparing the UK, going up a wave and Italy and Germany coming down off a curve. Chances are deaths will increase in the UK and reduce in Italy and Germany in the short term.

    However, with the very high uptake in vaccines in older groups in the UK, compared to other European countries, if other EU countries see similar case numbers as the UK, I'd say their deaths will be much much higher than the UK.


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    #7658
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Lumen wrote: »
    Here's some real-world data:

    Ireland: 61 cases/million, no indoor dining, no antigen testing.
    Germany: 6 cases/million, indoor dining, antigen testing.

    :rolleyes:

    I would say its the vaccine roll out that is playing a far far greater roll than unreliable tests.


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    #7659
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Because the findings from the working group found that they are not suitable for once off green light testing.

    Before you implement a national testing strategy you have to evaluate it for specific settings. Methods, tests, results, statistics and conclusions. Real world data, not what manufactures claim.

    https://twitter.com/stapalato/status/1404503264377327625?s=19
    This is the EU view of antigen testing - they too are against self-testing but otherwise see them as a useful diagnostic tool.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/rapid-antigen-covid-19-tests-have-crucial-role-european-commission-says-1.4562416


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    #7660
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    harr wrote: »
    So no deaths for weeks and then they come out with a big scary number of 5000 total deaths today .. sounds like they are trying to justify keeping hospitality closed.

    I thought the exact same thing.

    Nothing for weeks then...

    We are reporting 2 new deaths

    5000!!!!!!!!!


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    #7661
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Because the findings from the working group found that they are not suitable for once off green light testing.

    Before you implement a national testing strategy you have to evaluate it for specific settings. Methods, tests, results, statistics and conclusions. Real world data, not what manufactures claim.

    https://twitter.com/stapalato/status/1404503264377327625?s=19

    Does the rest of the world not know this?


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    #7662
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,243 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Lumen wrote: »
    Here's some real-world data:

    Ireland: 61 cases/million, no indoor dining, no antigen testing.
    Germany: 6 cases/million, indoor dining, antigen testing.


    Why can we not just copy 100% what Germany are doing in every way?


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    #7663
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This is the EU view of antigen testing - they too are against self-testing but otherwise see them as a useful diagnostic tool.

    Self testing should be a no go anyway. Sensitivity declines and compliance wains.

    But that means setting up an incredibly labour intensive workforce for a brand new testing system.

    Designated centres, support staff, staff to take the swab and perform the test. Reflex pcr testing for positives, contact tracing, public health staff. Staff to monitor, troubleshoot and organise the logistics of the entire process.

    Theres 66% of the eligible population with one jab and 43% fully vaccinated.
    If NIAC changes recommendations and supply increases then the proportion of people who need an antigen test diminishes significantly. Vaccinated people don't need an antigen test.

    Is it worth implementing an entire new testing process for very little gain.


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    #7664
    MOR316
    Registered Users Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭MOR316


    So Tony Holohan is saying lockdowns and restrictions cannot be ruled out...

    Sweet Jesus...


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    #7665
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Delta is now accounting for about 70% of cases, said Dr Cillian De Gascun.

    That is preliminary data and further data will be available on Monday, he said.


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    #7666
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1410635996002127878

    So much for the grenade theory at cabinet lol


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    #7667
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Delta is now accounting for about 70% of cases, said Dr Cillian De Gascun.

    That is preliminary data and further data will be available on Monday, he said.

    I don’t believe him


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    #7668
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭User1998


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    RIP 5000

    Do you have to say RIP every time deaths are announced?


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    #7669
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1410635996002127878

    So much for the grenade theory at cabinet lol

    By the sounds of it he may have flagged it with Donnelly, what or how much of it he told the rest of cabinet before Monday would be up for debate


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    #7670
    vienne86
    Registered Users Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Fergal Bowers mentioned covid cases in a number of counties there on RTE. Has anyone seen any recent county figures!?


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    #7671
    MOR316
    Registered Users Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭MOR316


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    By the sounds of it he may have flagged it with Donnelly, what or how much of it he told the rest of cabinet before Monday would be up for debate

    Tony is a liar!
    Leo is a liar!
    Micheál is a liar!
    Donnelly is a liar!

    It's impossible to know what to believe


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    #7672
    greensausage
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭greensausage


    Jesus George lee is in his element here, his head might explode with excitement.


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    #7673
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Self testing should be a no go anyway. Sensitivity declines and compliance wains.

    But that means setting up an incredibly labour intensive workforce for a brand new testing system.

    Designated centres, support staff, staff to take the swab and perform the test. Reflex pcr testing for positives, contact tracing, public health staff. Staff to monitor, troubleshoot and organise the logistics of the entire process.

    Theres 66% of the eligible population with one jab and 43% fully vaccinated.
    If NIAC changes recommendations and supply increases then the proportion of people who need an antigen test diminishes significantly. Vaccinated people don't need an antigen test.

    Is it worth implementing an entire new testing process for very little gain.
    It strikes me that we have a more mobile version in mind and we have something like that in pop-ups anyway. The government want to open hospitality and don't like the discriminatory digital cert and they like even less that NPHET are forcing them into it. If there are other options they will take them.


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    #7674
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I would say its the vaccine roll out that is playing a far far greater roll than unreliable tests.

    We're on the exact same vaccine rollout plan as Germany.


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    #7675
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    MOR316 wrote: »
    So Tony Holohan is saying lockdowns and restrictions cannot be ruled out...

    Sweet Jesus...

    He talked about the Delta plus variant also and how it's "very concerning". Anyone who thinks lockdowns/increased restrictions aren't on the cards for this winter could be in for a shock.


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    #7676
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Does the rest of the world not know this?

    Have other countries actually evaluated these tests in all the settings they've implemented them in.

    Dr Ronan Glynn:
    There is not evidence to back their use internationally because other countries have not be able to do these studies to the required standard, he said.

    Manufactures make these tests for specific settings and people. They're approved for those purposes and then can be bought by anyone.
    You can't take a test made for A, B and C and think you can use it for X, Y and Z and get the same results.


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    #7677
    [Deleted User]
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    I don't understand how another wave might be on the horizon.

    Is it because the race between Delta and the vaccines will see Delta 'win'?
    Or do we need to reach herd immunity in order to prevent any type of wave?
    Surely though even with Delta being more transmissable the wave will be significantly less than previous because of the vaccines?


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    #7678
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    AdamD wrote: »
    We're on the exact same vaccine rollout plan as Germany.

    I personally know a 71 year old in Berlin who hasn’t had his second dose of Pfizer yet . He said he is not the only one of that age group not yet done


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    #7679
    bloopy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭bloopy


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1410635996002127878

    So much for the grenade theory at cabinet lol

    Well somebody is lying.


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    #7680
    NoLuckLarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭NoLuckLarry


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    He talked about the Delta plus variant also and how it's "very concerning". Anyone who thinks lockdowns/increased restrictions aren't on the cards for this winter could be in for a shock.

    Not a chance, the place will be burned to the ground before they ever throw us back in to lockdown, especially now given the vaccination levels.


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    #7681
    Always_Running
    Registered Users Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    greensausage wrote: »
    Jesus George lee is in his element here, his head might explode with excitement.

    Delta is unstoppable he said with a big smirk on his face.


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