Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Goldengirl wrote: »

Firstly no argument here on vaccines, that was my point and as per Dr Henry.

Where did I make a comparison apart from their low level of vaccination?
My post was a positive as to our level and continuing high level of vaccination.

I take your reply as bad faith as you didn't read mine properly.

I did read it properly, your first sentence was and I quote:

"Look at the figures for deaths in Russia from Delta which are rising atm before you talk again about it being enough to vaccinate just the old and the vulnerable."

Russia with 14% one dosed (not two) have not got close to vaccinating the old and vulnerable so using it as evidence that vaccinating the old and vulnerable inst enough immediately fails on the first test.

I supported my point by illustrating the completely different vaccines been used in the two jurisdictions. Again making any comparison between Ireland and Russia in relation to the delta variant completely null and void.

cheezums wrote: »

You are confusing efficacy and effectiveness. Not the same thing.

Secondly, vaccine efficacy (controlled tests) and effectiveness (real world) are not a "hospitalisation" metric.

Wrong again.

Why dont we revisit Nolan's modelling:
https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1410320834342932483

The 95% figure he uses here is the efficacy relative to an unvaccinated person.
That 95% figure means that a vaccinated person is 95% less likely to develop severe disease relative to an unvaccinated person.

An unvaccinated person already has a 1 in 5 risk of developing severe disease, so for a vaccinated person that risk is 95% lower - 1 in 100 or 1% chance of developing severe disease.

All the vaccine efficacy studies measure it in this manner.

TheDoctor wrote: »

I did read it properly, your first sentence was and I quote:

"Look at the figures for deaths in Russia from Delta which are rising atm before you talk again about it being enough to vaccinate just the old and the vulnerable."

Russia with 14% one dosed (not two) have not got close to vaccinating the old and vulnerable so using it as evidence that vaccinating the old and vulnerable inst enough immediately fails on the first test.

I supported my point by illustrating the completely different vaccines been used in the two jurisdictions. Again making any comparison between Ireland and Russia in relation to the delta variant completely null and void.

Apologies if there is a ,misunderstanding here.
I thought you were quoting the post re the comparison of deaths from UK and Scotland, vs Russia.
I am in no way comparing Russia in terms of vaccination with us.
It is precisely their lack of suitable vaccination that is resulting in a rise in deaths there, as opposed to the UK and Scotland according to Dr Henry today, with a " vaccine wall" holding serious disease and deaths down there.
I reacted to a poster who was posting the old chestnut that once the old and vulnerable were vaccinated then that it would be unnecessary for younger people to be vaccinated.
Clearly that is not the case. Serious illness is rising although at a much lower rate in UK and Scotland. In younger people.

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Anyone think that the UK will reverse its "no going back" decision?

UK still has some things in place which we don't have here particularly for kids. Any suspected/known cases in a school class are told to isolate for two weeks, none of the pod stuff/contact tracing we were trying. There's currently no plans to change that although a bit of lobbying has started.

Honestly, I dont think they'll change tactics at this Point. If they do it'll be a few months from now when hospitalistions kick off but so far, they aren't concerned

timmyntc wrote: »

I'm using the terms as they should be used - exactly as they are described in the vaccine studies. Which Nolan is referencing when he uses that 95% figure. If the terminology is wrong its on his end.

Nolan came up with a figure of 25k people vulnerable to severe disease. As I have shown, that figure is false. The real number would be 5k. 5 times less.

That tweet from Nolan was not only incredibly misleading but bordering on being professionally negligent, especially for someone in his position.

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

I was the same after my 1st dose, grand for the day then went downhill late evening and woke up the following day feeling like a bus had run over me twice

AH man now your scarying me
Hopefully that just because your no luck Larry

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

I was the same after my 1st dose, grand for the day then went downhill late evening and woke up the following day feeling like a bus had run over me twice

Sorry for your troubles, but had a genuine LOL reading this with your username!

Is it just me or do they sound like they're speaking from a drain pipe?

On May 12th total deaths were 4937

The number of people who have died is now 4,937

https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-latest-figures-28-5435091-May2021/

Total deaths today 1st July is 5000

The number of people who have died following a diagnosis of Covid-19 is now 5,000.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0701/1232493-covid-figures-nphet/

So in other words in 50 days a total of 63 people have died who had previously been had a positive Covid diagnosis in the previous 30 days, not exactly end of days material.

harr wrote: »

So no deaths for weeks and then they come out with a big scary number of 5000 total deaths today .. sounds like they are trying to justify keeping hospitality closed.

It's like they are pretending most of us haven't copped on that the figure is not 5,000 extra deaths since 2020.

cheezums wrote: »

Well done, you've mixed up efficacy and effectiveness a third time.

Secondly, you are creating all kinds of things that he didnt actually say. All he was saying was the vaccine doesn't work for everyone. 5% in fact. He couldn't have said it in more simple terms.

But that is incorrect It is absolutely untrue that the vaccine "doesn't work" for 5% of people

Why did NPHET refuse to support antigen testing?

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Hopefully someone in the media will call them out and tell them in an average day 80 people die from non Covid related reasons in Ireland for comparison. The shock and awe tactics they are coming out with need to be questioned.

This is what the media come for and it's what NPHET do so that's doubtful. They can get that other data elsewhere. Someone may probe them on the wild projections.

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Why did NPHET refuse to support antigen testing?

Tony is following the science on that....

I don't know how he hasn't been whipped up by the French or Germans or Brits Governments given that they are leading all their nations into the worst hurricane in their history....

Mind you, they probably wouldn't pay the same wages!!!

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Anyone think that the UK will reverse its "no going back" decision?

Possible :pac::pac::pac:

New Cases (deaths)

UK 27,989 (22)
Italy 882 (21)
Germany 201 (28)