Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

RobitTV · 30-06-2021 10:43AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

You reference Denmark is the way forward but they use a covid pass.
Either have to vaccinated, had covid recently or a negative pcr or antigen test within last 72 hours.

This is why I mentioned antigen testing. We need this in Ireland.

Ballynally · 30-06-2021 10:44AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

They fully intend on delaying digital cert, reason cited will be that we are still restricted nationally with no indoor dining & more - therefore we can’t allow foreign visitors without making entry heavily restricted, which will ultimately make it not worth the bother for tourists and outgoing holidaymakers.

Well, tourists can still come, stay in a hotel, eat and drink there, visit places.
Many have booked flights.
But i might add another thing. Inbound passengers will have their own country's DCC that HAS to be accepted by Ireland.
The whole thing is more targeted at Irish people going abroad.
No, you cant eat and drink indoors and no, you cant leave the country either without proof and we wont provide it. Your wee paper card wont do.But they are just my darker thoughts, hoping they wont come true.

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 10:47AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Which is a sensible system. If we have to implement something like this, why not use that system instead of the discriminatory bullshít being suggested here?

We know why. Tony and Philip Nolan have an ideological aversion to antigen tests that is not based on science or logic. Unless they have a 180 degree turn around then government wont go against NPHETs view that antigen tests are nothing but "snake oil" as Nolan called them. Yet another area (like indoor hospitality) where we are international outliers.

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 10:49AM

Ballynally wrote: »

Well, tourists can still come, stay in a hotel, eat and drink there, visit places.
Many have booked flights.
But i might add another thing. Inbound passengers will have their own country's DCC that HAS to be accepted by Ireland.
The whole thing is more targeted at Irish people going abroad.
No, you cant eat and drink indoors and no, you cant leave the country either without proof and we wont provide it. Your wee paper card wont do.But they are just my darker thoughts, hoping they wont come true.

Where do you get that from? The actual Regulation says otherwise. Individual Member States can impose additional restrictions because Health Policy is a Member State competence. The Green Cert relies on each Member State acting in good faith and mutual recognition. EU actually has no power to implement it because Health is not covered under the treaties.

bear1 · 30-06-2021 10:50AM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0630/1232172-government-brings-forward-500-fan-limit-to-this-weekend/

How nice of them

RobitTV · 30-06-2021 10:50AM

The fact that NPHET still won't recommend the use of antigen testing on a national level is an absolute embarrassment.

Denmark and many other EU nations must be wrong. And only Lord Tony is the grand master of the truth.

We are the backwater of Europe.

Avon8 · 30-06-2021 10:51AM

As much as i'd love Antigen testing to become prevalent, as it should, it simply won't work for something as wide scale as mass admission into bars. Denmark has pop up shops all over where people get their test on say a Friday morning for free, and are covered then for the weekend. We saw how slow these numpties were with the initial vaccine rollout. How slow would they be in setting up hundreds of these pop up centres, staffed with the professionals they'd surely demand? Everyone would be jabbed by the time they got enough of them up and running. The few they would provide would have a 5 hour queue on a Friday.

The other option would be bars administering it on the way in, which would take them extra staff, huge queues, waiting for the result. It wouldn't be workable or adhered to and the government wouldn't allow it because apparently non medical professionals can't be trusted to do it right.

Just open indoor dining to all and stop this nonsense. Use testing to open up semi full stadiums and arena's if that's the only way

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 10:52AM

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0630/1232172-government-brings-forward-500-fan-limit-to-this-weekend/

How nice of them

HAHAHAHA. 500 fans in the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick that can hold 44,000. We're a joke.

30-06-2021 10:54AM

Yet Tony, of House NPHET, believes that now is the ideal time to lock-up hospitality.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1410172635686789120

charlie14 · 30-06-2021 10:58AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

HAHAHAHA. 500 fans in the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick that can hold 44,000. We're a joke.

8,000 in Croke Park for the Leinster Semi-finals on Saturday.

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 10:59AM

charlie14 wrote: »

8,000 in Croke Park for the Leinster Semi-finals on Saturday.

That's a "test event" along with one or two others. The other championship games is as per the actual limit of 500. It's an absolute joke. 500 people in a 44,000 capacity stadium. It's mind boggling.

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 11:02AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Leo said on newstalk it's government policy to use antigen testing

Harris has also been touting it for campuses in September and there has been talk of it for bigger sports events.

RobitTV · 30-06-2021 11:02AM

LOL

Tubridy is attempting to cover his ass before the future backlash arrives

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1410161949044883464

Tchaikovsky · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

It's fair to say the government have made a serious balls of this.

Ballynally · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where do you get that from? The actual Regulation says otherwise. Individual Member States can impose additional restrictions because Health Policy is a Member State competence. The Green Cert relies on each Member State acting in good faith and mutual recognition. EU actually has no power to implement it because Health is not covered under the treaties.

Yes, individual countries can impose restrictions but i dont think that means they wont accept other country's DCC. That is what i think 'mutual recognition' means. Restrictions are implemented on a country level, depending on where you are flying from, so people fr a 'red' country w a DCC can be prohibited to enter. They cant stop people travelling from a low risk country w their own DCC.
But you seem to suggest that.
Is it open to interpretation, then?

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 11:03AM

charlie14 wrote: »

8,000 in Croke Park for the Leinster Semi-finals on Saturday.

That's only because they switched them from somewhere that would allow 200.

Sweet.Science · 30-06-2021 11:04AM

RobitTV wrote: »

LOL

Tubridy is hoping to cover his ass before the future backlash arrives

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1410161949044883464

Its like a 15 month long episode of Black Mirror

charlie14 · 30-06-2021 11:05AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's a "test event". The other championship games is as per the actual limit of 500. It's an absolute joke.

Far as I recall the U.K. did much the same. Unless I`m greatly mistaken their first test event was not 45,000 supporters in Wembley.

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 11:05AM

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

It's fair to say the government have made a serious balls of this.

More that they were walked into this. While they won't go against NPHET, these scenarios are likely to arise.

Red Silurian · 30-06-2021 11:06AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's a "test event" along with one or two others. The other championship games is as per the actual limit of 500. It's an absolute joke. 500 people in a 44,000 capacity stadium. It's mind boggling.

The reasoning behind it is they don't want people congregating at bars in the stadium or too many people in the crowds going in/out of the turnstiles or in the roads leading to/from the grounds

What they should be doing is only allowing certain seats/sections to come and go at certain times on the clock and stagger the fans coming and leaving the stadium - based on seat if needs be

A bit of hassle but it would increase capacities

RobitTV · 30-06-2021 11:06AM

We are all in this together. #Holdfirm

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1410002817687883786

Sweet.Science · 30-06-2021 11:07AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Far as I recall the U.K. did much the same. Unless I`m greatly mistaken their first test event was not 45,000 supporters in Wembley.

Why didnt we just use their data on test events?

Or do we only sit back and use their data when it suits ?

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 11:07AM

Ballynally wrote: »

Yes, individual countries can impose restrictions but i dont think that means they wont accept other country's DCC. That is what i think 'mutual recognition' means. Restrictions are implemented on a country level, depending on where you are flying from, so people fr a 'red' country w a DCC can be prohibited to enter. They cant stop people travelling from a low risk country w their own DCC.
But you seem to suggest that.
Is it open to interpretation, then?

Yes they can put additional restrictions at will.

55. To ensure coordination, the Commission and the other Member States should be informed when a Member State requires holders of certificates to undergo, after entry into its territory, quarantine or self-isolation or to be tested for SARS-CoV-2 infection, or if it imposes other restrictions on holders of such certificates.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32021R0953&qid=1625042455003&from=EN

charlie14 · 30-06-2021 11:07AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That's only because they switched them from somewhere that would allow 200.

Bigger venue, bigger crowd. Same as most others countries who held these test events as far as I know.

namloc1980 · 30-06-2021 11:07AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Far as I recall the U.K. did much the same. Unless I`m greatly mistaken their first test event was not 45,000 supporters in Wembley.

Months ago. Why are we testing again and not learning? The UK and other EU countries would be more than happy to share their data and learnings. Or are we special?

RobitTV · 30-06-2021 11:08AM

https://twitter.com/robertburke84/status/1410138216582324230

charlie14 · 30-06-2021 11:09AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Why didnt we just use their data on test events?

Or do we only sit back and use their data when it suits ?

Sorry, I`m not sure what your point is .Use the test events data for what exactly ?

daheff · 30-06-2021 11:09AM

Quags wrote: »

But people do not want the vaccine and to be basically bullied into it so you can enjoy indoor dining sounds very Nazism to me. This thing isnt going anyway soon and while it will kill people so will the flu and numerous other things so why cant people just get on with their lives and if you feel personally your not comfortable eating indoors with the non vaccination ppl then Im sure some places will accept the golden vac card

If thats how people feel, then maybe we can keep the database of people vaccinated vs not vaccinated. When hospitals fill up to capacity maybe we can then use the said database to kick those who wouldn't get a vaccine to the back of the queue for the ICU beds??

Jesus wept. the selfishness of some people to think that they don't need to be vaccinated.

Sweet.Science · 30-06-2021 11:10AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Sorry, I`m not sure what your point is .Use the test events data for what exactly ?

Eh . They have already proved they are safe . Why are we doing the same thing at the same starting point ?

robbiezero · 30-06-2021 11:12AM

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/robertburke84/status/1410138216582324230

"No interest/ambition" sums up our entire response to this pandemic.
Done nothing, tried nothing and on it goes......

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