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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #6752
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    zackory wrote: »
    Have you any specifics on the link between delta V and hospitalisations please?
    Lumen wrote: »
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2280832-delta-variant-doubles-risk-of-covid-19-hospitalisations-study-shows/

    Thanks Lumen.


  • #6753
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    zackory wrote: »
    OK, so you have sympathy for all the closed and struggling businesses. The situation is far from ideal, I am sure you will agree.

    Indeed, I also have great joy for businesses that are open and are doing a roaring trade.


  • #6754
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you not watch the news Graham? Hospital numbers are dropping everyday so sorry to disappoint you but the delta variant isnt hospitalising younger people

    Fortunately Delta variant isn't having much of an impact here at all :)


  • #6755
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Graham wrote: »
    Fortunately Delta variant isn't having much of an impact here at all :)



    Delta variant I still hospitalising people, younger people. I'm happy enough we're not just pretending it doesn't exist

    So you have changed your mind on the delta variant since the above comment was posted over an hour ago :)


  • #6756
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Graham wrote: »
    Thanks Lumen.

    Don't see anything there about delta variant hospitalising younger people.


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  • #6757
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Frightening really.

    The Irish people have demonstrated how easily controlled they are and how willing they are to hand over their democratic rights and civil liberties. The infantilism of large swades of the population has been embarrassing to witness - looking for Mammy Holihan to tell them what to do and what to think.

    Twenty years of telling ourselves how far we'd come and how much we'd evolved from our parochial past turned out to be mainly bullsh;t.

    We are lead by the most spineless generation of politicians in the history of the State, which perfectly reflects the electorate.

    We are the cowards of Europe and we will pay for a heavy price for this cowardice over the next number of years.

    We have also handed a playbook to future governments on how best to control us - just pump out the fear 24/7 on the State broadcaster and suspend democracy - it's quite easy. People should look at the opinion polls and consider that the party in waiting gets its orders from a cabal of terrorists up in Belfast - nothing to worry about at all.

    Fúcking hell!! Jaysus lad go for a pint.


  • #6758
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Boggles wrote: »
    Fúcking hell!! Jaysus lad go for a pint.

    What difference would that make?

    You are straight back here the following morning after your pints.


  • #6759
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    UEFA sources have refused to rule out moving the Euro 2020 semi-finals and final away from Wembley if overseas fans and VIPs cannot be exempted from strict quarantine rules.

    I wonder will England cave into this ultimatum, or stand up to UEFA like we did.


  • #6760
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Whats the time line for eating and drinking inside restaurants and pubs


  • #6761
    SAMTALK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Frightening really.

    The Irish people have demonstrated how easily controlled they are and how willing they are to hand over their democratic rights and civil liberties. The infantilism of large swades of the population has been embarrassing to witness - looking for Mammy Holihan to tell them what to do and what to think.

    Twenty years of telling ourselves how far we'd come and how much we'd evolved from our parochial past turned out to be mainly bullsh;t.

    We are lead by the most spineless generation of politicians in the history of the State, which perfectly reflects the electorate.

    We are the cowards of Europe and we will pay for a heavy price for this cowardice over the next number of years.

    We have also handed a playbook to future governments on how best to control us - just pump out the fear 24/7 on the State broadcaster and suspend democracy - it's quite easy. People should look at the opinion polls and consider that the party in waiting gets its orders from a cabal of terrorists up in Belfast - nothing to worry about at all.

    It also demontrates how dramatic some are, and negative all the time

    This happened all over not just Ireland, it's not something the government planned or wanted

    Yes somethings could have been handled better but from some posts it's like the Government wants the country on its knees and will do all in it's power to brain wash the people


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  • #6762
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    SAMTALK wrote: »
    It also demontrates how dramatic some are, and negative all the time

    This happened all over not just Ireland, it's not something the government planned or wanted

    Yes somethings could have been handled better but from some posts it's like the Government wants the country on its knees and will do all in it's power to brain wash the people

    My view is that ultimately we have a weak government afraid of SF as well as each other.

    On paper the greens should be the proverbial "mudguard" but even that's beyond them.


  • #6763
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    SAMTALK wrote: »
    It also demontrates how dramatic some are, and negative all the time

    In the real world there isn't anything like the amount of drama/negativity that this thread would have you believe.

    Restrictions are being eased, the vaccination program is progressing nicely, case numbers are low, hospitalisations are low and the Delta variant hasn't got a strong foothold here.


  • #6764
    SAMTALK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    Graham wrote: »
    In the real world there isn't anything like the amount of drama/negativity that this thread would have you believe.

    Restrictions are being eased, the vaccination program is progressing nicely, case numbers are low, hospitalisations are low and the Delta variant hasn't got a strong foothold here.


    Ah Graham less of the positivity please .


  • #6765
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Whats the time line for eating and drinking inside restaurants and pubs

    From July 5th (subject to the public health situation at the time)

    Bars and restaurants - Indoor services can resume

    Despite the caveat, I can't currently see anything that's going to delay that date.


  • #6766
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Graham wrote: »
    From July 5th (subject to the public health situation at the time)

    Bars and restaurants - Indoor services can resume

    Despite the caveat, I can't currently see anything that's going to delay that date.

    Plenty of time yet....


  • #6767
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Plenty of time yet....

    At every step on this thread we have been told the public health authorities will do everything they can to slow down the progress of reopening and reverse previous commitments. When has this actually happened?


  • #6768
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Graham wrote: »
    In the real world there isn't anything like the amount of drama/negativity that this thread would have you believe.

    Restrictions are being eased, the vaccination program is progressing nicely, case numbers are low, hospitalisations are low and the Delta variant hasn't got a strong foothold here.

    You don't speak to many people outside this thread, do you?

    I dare you to go and say that to the business owners, home owners, artists, musicians, people on waiting lists and various other people who have had their world turned upside down.

    Would love to hear how you get on :)


  • #6769
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Graham wrote: »
    In the real world there isn't anything like the amount of drama/negativity that this thread would have you believe.

    Restrictions are being eased, the vaccination program is progressing nicely, case numbers are low, hospitalisations are low and the Delta variant hasn't got a strong foothold here.

    this is true Graham, but why couldnt we be more proactive, like Spain (i know we always use them) and just allow everything to open now, move dates forward. reward those that have had to put up with this ****.

    we will surely see a small spike in case numers both ways, but hospitalisations are down as the vulnerable are sorted now, so case numbers shouldnt even be of concern now.


  • #6770
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    this is true Graham, but why couldnt we be more proactive, like Spain (i know we always use them) and just allow everything to open now, move dates forward. reward those that have had to put up with this ****.

    we will surely see a small spike in case numers both ways, but hospitalisations are down as the vulnerable are sorted now, so case numbers shouldnt even be of concern now.
    Spain have only opened faster because of their utter reliance on tourism. It's not out of some altruistic sense of letting young people out to socialise and repaying them for lockdowns. It's purely about saving a gigantic part of their economy from collapse.

    Tourism is pretty big for us, but nowhere near as important as it is for Spain.

    If covid restrictions were threatening our ability to produce pharmecuticals or software, you can be sure we'd be taking bigger risks too.


  • #6771
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    At every step on this thread we have been told the public health authorities will do everything they can to slow down the progress of reopening and reverse previous commitments. When has this actually happened?

    I suppose it started with the initial slow opening plan, then it was the pubs being deferred opening last summer, and my recollection is the government saying since Christmas our reopening would be "slow and cautious" and they would be following NPHETs guidance.

    This has culminated with possibly the slowest reopening in Europe or the world, pubs completely closed for is it 15 months and Tony throwing his toys out of the pram a few weeks ago.

    And then in the aviation sector of our island nation.......


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  • #6772
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    MOR316 wrote: »
    I dare you to go and say that to the business owners, home owners, artists, musicians, people on waiting lists and various other people who have had their world turned upside down.

    The best thing for the majority of us, and most of our businesses is a strong and sustainable reopening.


  • #6773
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    this is true Graham, but why couldnt we be more proactive, like Spain (i know we always use them) and just allow everything to open now, move dates forward. reward those that have had to put up with this ****.

    we will surely see a small spike in case numers both ways, but hospitalisations are down as the vulnerable are sorted now, so case numbers shouldnt even be of concern now.

    What's the mad rush? Why not follow the public health recommendations for the next few months and see things out in a way that minises death and serious ilness? Is it really of such massive monent for people that they have to wait another few weeks to be able to eat out?


  • #6774
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    What's the mad rush? Why not follow the public health recommendations for the next few months and see things out in a way that minises death and serious ilness? Is it really of such massive monent for people that they have to wait another few weeks to be able to eat out?

    Yeah sure it will only be going on for nearly 2 years in another few months.


  • #6775
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    What's the mad rush? Why not follow the public health recommendations for the next few months and see things out in a way that minises death and serious ilness? Is it really of such massive monent for people that they have to wait another few weeks to be able to eat out?

    Were a long long way from 'flatten the curve.....' and if it was made known at the time that flattening this curve would mean what it does today I wonder what the reaction would be.....


  • #6776
    PhoneMain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    One you should really take to heart. We haven't discovered a route to immortality through restrictions and lockdowns.

    People will still get sick and die, and in greater numbers (even at the height of the pandemic) than from Covid.



    Personally I don't care what ANY other country does. I'm concerned about what Ireland does. Understandably I think, as I live here.

    Deaths/hospitalisations were low last summer too even with no vaccines and even less restrictions (eg: no masks). Funny that. Maybe it's just not that dangerous to the majority in this country? Maybe it's a seasonal disease that restrictions have very little effect on this time of year?

    But yes, we have been vaccinating and - again - those identified at potential significant risk have almost entirely received their jabs. We're now progressing to vaccinating perfectly healthy younger people as you know. But the only relevant point in that regard is the first group.

    As such, so what if healthy/younger people catch the "delta variant". If they even notice they have it at all the risk to them is extremely low. As those vulnerable ARE now almost entirely covered there is capacity in the health service to treat those outliers.

    In other words, as has been the case since this time last year, our response is hugely disproportionate to the actual level of risk involved and doesn't factor in at all the other consequences to society, mental health or indeed other medical issues to name a few.


    Whatever about mental health, the biggest factor that would impact on waiting lists for other issues and for the economy is the level of circulating Covid. With Spring 2021 levels of transmission, the economy and health services would be goosed. Most economists, public health specialists, hospital doctors agree on that.


  • #6777
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Was out in dublin cc with herself the other night, some establishments playing it pretty fast and loose with what constitutes "outdoors" :D


  • #6778
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Was out in dublin cc with herself the other night, some establishments playing it pretty fast and loose with what constitutes "outdoors" :D

    There's a cafe in Castlebar that's really taking the p**s on that front.


  • #6779
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    PhoneMain wrote: »
    Whatever about mental health, the biggest factor that would impact on waiting lists for other issues and for the economy is the level of circulating Covid. With Spring 2021 levels of transmission, the economy and health services would be goosed. Most economists, public health specialists, hospital doctors agree on that.

    You don’t have to be any kind of professional to agree Spring 2021 hospitalisations would pose a problem for healthcare.

    All data points to that scenario not happening. Unless a vaccine-evading variant comes along, and if that’s coming there’s nothing we can do to keep it out and we’re back to March 2020 regardless of snail-pace easing of restrictions and the damage that that continues to cause.


  • #6780
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    OwenM wrote: »
    Were a long long way from 'flatten the curve.....' and if it was made known at the time that flattening this curve would mean what it does today I wonder what the reaction would be.....

    Flatten the curve, he next two weeks are crucial.
    15 Months later, here we still are waiting for a few more months....


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  • #6781
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    OwenM wrote: »
    Were a long long way from 'flatten the curve.....'

    Yup, now we need to get people vaccinated.


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