Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

zackory

suicide_circus wrote: »

Was out in dublin cc with herself the other night, some establishments playing it pretty fast and loose with what constitutes "outdoors"

No Garda enforcement. The facebook warriors with their shaming videos are getting no traction.

Next weekend will be the last of it.

As Tony calls it "antisipatry behavior" will kick in and the final weekend will be indoors ahead of the Monday.

Graham

zackory wrote: »

As Tony calls it "antisipatry behavior" will kick in

It's know as "anticipatory behaviour", would you prefer it be given a different label?

I expect it's been taken into account when calculating/announcing dates.

_Kaiser_

PhoneMain wrote: »

Whatever about mental health, the biggest factor that would impact on waiting lists for other issues and for the economy is the level of circulating Covid. With Spring 2021 levels of transmission, the economy and health services would be goosed. Most economists, public health specialists, hospital doctors agree on that.

Transmission/cases as I keep saying, do NOT translate into hospitalisations, serious illness or deaths on a 1:1 basis. They didn't in Spring 2021, no more than they did in January, or Spring 2020.

Cases are an extremely poor metric by which to measure risk from this virus. The OUTCOME of those cases is the important one, and the outcome in the overwhelming majority of cases is a positive one.

The reality, after 15 months of observed impact, is that Covid affects primarily the very elderly and/or those who have serious underlying issues. The younger population are at very little risk - if they even realise they have it - from the virus. Of course there will always be outliers, but that's the case with everything. Thankfully Covid just isn't the deadly mass killer it was feared to be in Feb/March 2020.

As we have been all along, the only thing we're protecting at this point is the waste and inefficiency in the HSE (and those who are overseeing it) which despite billions of Euro being invested in every year, is only getting worse it seems.

Graham

It's sad to see both Wales & Scotland have now found it necessary to delay the easing of restrictions until more vaccinations have been administered.

“Wales may be two to three weeks behind what is happening in England and in Scotland, where tens of thousands of cases have been confirmed, there is widespread transmission and reports of increased hospital admissions.

“In the last week, the First Minister of Scotland and the Prime Minister have both paused their plans to relax coronavirus restrictions because of concern about the delta variant.

I think we're doing quite well to avoid the impact of the Delta variant so far. Let's hope it remains that way.

copeyhagen

seamus wrote: »

Spain have only opened faster because of their utter reliance on tourism. It's not out of some altruistic sense of letting young people out to socialise and repaying them for lockdowns. It's purely about saving a gigantic part of their economy from collapse.

Tourism is pretty big for us, but nowhere near as important as it is for Spain.

If covid restrictions were threatening our ability to produce pharmecuticals or software, you can be sure we'd be taking bigger risks too.

they opened pubs and restaurants etc in Feb, when the Brits were still banned.. so what toruism are you talking about here?!!

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

It's know as "anticipatory behaviour", would you prefer it be given a different label?

I expect it's been taken into account when calculating/announcing dates.

*known

Graham

copeyhagen wrote: »

they opened pubs and restaurants etc in Feb

barely and subject to so many restrictions it really wasn't worthwhile

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

The best thing for the majority of us, and most of our businesses is a strong and sustainable reopening.

Never disputed that and I agree with you 100% on it.

What I am pulling you back on is the no negativity in the real world compared to this thread remark.
Fact is, there very much is and it's going to take a long time before the majority of people start feeling positive about a sustainable future

Whatsisname

Graham wrote: »

It's sad to see both Wales & Scotland have now found it necessary to delay the easing of restrictions until more vaccinations have been administered.



I think we're doing quite well to avoid the impact of the Delta variant so far. Let's hope it remains that way.

Wales have 88% of adults with 1 dose and almost 60% with 2 and around 0.24% of cases there in the last week have been from that variant. It's absolute lunacy that they of all countries in the UK are delaying.

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

What I am pulling you back on is the no negativity in the real world

not something I said

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

not something I said

Graham wrote: »

In the real world there isn't anything like the amount of drama/negativity that this thread would have you believe.

This is the third time you've denied saying something you did...

Also, if you're going to quote me, I'd appreciate it if you quoted the full post and not edit my post in your reply to suit you. Thanks

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

This is the third time you've denied saying something you did...

Also, if you're going to quote me, I'd appreciate it if you quoted the full post and not edit my post in your reply to suit you. Thanks

"not anything like" is not the same as "there is no"

Does that really need pointing out or would you just like to continue deliberately misrepresenting my posts for whatever reason?

copeyhagen

Graham wrote: »

barely and subject to so many restrictions it really wasn't worthwhile

ah, my folks were back out for their breakfast every other morning and their meal out once a week. my dad was meeting his 2 brothers that also live over there for drinks again also.
one persons idea of worthwhile is different to others!

PhoneMain

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Transmission/cases as I keep saying, do NOT translate into hospitalisations, serious illness or deaths on a 1:1 basis. They didn't in Spring 2021, no more than they did in January, or Spring 2020.

Cases are an extremely poor metric by which to measure risk from this virus. The OUTCOME of those cases is the important one, and the outcome in the overwhelming majority of cases is a positive one.

The reality, after 15 months of observed impact, is that Covid affects primarily the very elderly and/or those who have serious underlying issues. The younger population are at very little risk - if they even realise they have it - from the virus. Of course there will always be outliers, but that's the case with everything. Thankfully Covid just isn't the deadly mass killer it was feared to be in Feb/March 2020.

As we have been all along, the only thing we're protecting at this point is the waste and inefficiency in the HSE (and those who are overseeing it) which despite billions of Euro being invested in every year, is only getting worse it seems.

Of course i know it's not 1:1 hospitalisation of cases. but there's no denying that it was an unprecedented level of stress on the healthcare system in January/February due to covid.

Its not possible to suggest that Covid isnt as deadly as previously feared, we did undergo the biggest transmission mitigation effort in history, if it was 100 years ago it may have been a lot different.

Now all the indicators are that we wont undergo this again thankfully due to vaccinations. But that's not to say that we didnt need mitigation efforts up to now. It also needs to be stated that our hospitalisation and death rates per capita are one of the best in Europe

Graham

copeyhagen wrote: »

ah, my folks were back out for their breakfast every other morning and their meal out once a week. my dad was meeting his 2 brothers that also live over there for drinks again also.
one persons idea of worthwhile is different to others!

hospitality businesses in most of Spain would tell you it wasn't worthwhile. In fact they were better off with the business closed with the levels of restrictions around the early part of this year.

Open just enough to ensure no support for staff, but barely enough to pay for the running of the lights/coffee machine never mind anything else.

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

"not anything like" is not the same as "there is no"

Does that really need pointing out or would you just like to continue deliberately misrepresenting my posts for whatever reason?

OK...Take your point.

If we go with that, you're right. There is nothing like the negativity in the real world like there is in this thread. It's much worse out in the real world.

Also, I argue against the point of "deliberately misrepresenting your posts"
I do nothing of the kind.
You simply could not answer the question or back up your claims from previous encounters. Not my fault.

If roles were reversed, I would be more than happy to clarify my posts, debate or answer any questions that anyone may have

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

OK...Take your point.

If we go with that, you're right. There is nothing like the negativity in the real world like there is in this thread. It's much worse out in the real world.

Not in my experience, most people I encounter are getting more and more upbeat particularly as restrictions are eased.

That's not to deny your experience at all, perhaps you mix in pessimistic circles who knows.

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

Not in my experience, most people I encounter are getting more and more upbeat particularly as restrictions are eased.

That's not to deny your experience at all, perhaps you mix in pessimistic circles who knows.

No, I just know a lot of people who are out of sorts, out of work, depressed, people in sectors that have no future and are at a loss as to what to do.
I've said before, my future is non existent thanks to all of this.

These are people who were badly affected by all of this. Who had livelihoods and careers. Speculating that they're pessimistic is far from the truth in fairness.

By the same token, I know plenty with office careers who are fine. Like everything, there is a balance and people shouldn't ignore the other side, the uncomfortable truth

Boggles

MOR316 wrote: »

my future is non existent thanks to all of this.

No it isn't. If you are feeling low go to a GP and get some help.

Or organize a meal and a few drinks with some friends or family.

Your future hasn't been written yet, it can't not exist.

I wish you well.

Loafing Oaf

normanoffside wrote: »

Flatten the curve, he next two weeks are crucial.
15 Months later, here we still are waiting for a few more months....

Yes but it really will be all over, or virtually over, at the end of that period.

CruelSummer

How many are expected at Wembley this evening for England v Scotland?

Silentcorner

CruelSummer wrote: »

How many are expected at Wembley this evening for England v Scotland?

25,000...

Are Irish pubs that are showing the game outdoors allowed to put the volume up?

niallo27

Silentcorner wrote: »

25,000...

Are Irish pubs that are showing the game outdoors allowed to put the volume up?

At this stage I'm not even sure are you joking or not.

Polar101

CruelSummer wrote: »

How many are expected at Wembley this evening for England v Scotland?

25% of capacity. Capacity is 90,000 so that would be, umm.. 22.5k?
Looks a bit silly on TV, either not everyone showed up or they set the limit too low.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

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Ukraine - Closer to 1,800 per day than 1,700 but lets not get bogged down with the semantics. This seems to be the biggest success story of the three you've linked, however they had everything locked down for most of May and have only started opening back up. It will be interesting to see if their success story continues.

Just coming back to this a week later. As I predicted, the 7-day Average in Ukraine is now down to 1057 so another 35-40% drop in a week. That's equivalent to about 130 cases/day in Ireland adjusted for population

Their vaccination rate is still under 2%

gozunda

Graham wrote: »

Awesome observation


Deaths/hospitalisations are currently low. Looks like we're planning to keep it that way which I think is a good thing.

The UK are delaying reopening and Portugal are introducing new restrictions because of the Delta variant and the link between it and hospitalisations. I'm pretty glad we're trying to avoid that situation while our vaccination program progresses.

Russia seems to be facing some new problems. With the infection rate in Moscow having tripled from 3000 to 9000 in just two weeks. Restrictions now to be* reimposed


https://www.reuters.com/world/moscow-covid-19-surge-probably-due-infectious-variants-mayor-2021-06-17/

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

Russia seems to be facing some new problems. With the infection rate in Moscow having tripled from 3000 to 9000 in just two weeks. Restrictions now being reimposed


https://www.reuters.com/world/moscow-covid-19-surge-probably-due-infectious-variants-mayor-2021-06-17/

"He announced no new restrictions to rein in the outbreak"

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

"He announced no new restrictions to rein in the outbreak"

He did indeed and more...

"He announced no new restrictions to rein in the outbreak, but said they could be coming.

"We are very close to stricter decisions - temporary but stricter - in terms of restrictions," Sobyanin said at the meeting with restaurant business representatives."

More on that here and elsewhere...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57511355

https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemic-health-73f9ea558bd9e5fe276ee33e28691067

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

He did indeed and more...

"He announced no new restrictions to rein in the outbreak, but said they could be coming.

"We are very close to stricter decisions - temporary but stricter - in terms of restrictions," Sobyanin said at the meeting with restaurant business representatives."

More on that here and elsewhere...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57511355

https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemic-health-73f9ea558bd9e5fe276ee33e28691067

So no new restrictions yet? Maybe but not yet.

Why are you making up headlines for links? Do you do this often?

gozunda

Sobit1964 wrote: »

So no new restrictions yet? Maybe but not yet.
Why are you making up headlines for links? Do you do this often?

Do you?


Where do I refer to "new" restrictions btw?
And you may have noticed my original comment quoted no "headlines"

Another poster oddly enough did selectively quote that. But left out the important bit. Maybe have a word with them?

But yes as far as I understood it- the concensus from the news today was that restrictions are to be reimposed which I've detailed.

From the last link - you might have missed it ..

Moscow’s mayor on Saturday ordered a week off for some workplaces and imposed restrictions on many businesses to fight coronavirus infections that have more than doubled in the past week.

https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-coronavirus-pandemic-health-73f9ea558bd9e5fe276ee33e28691067

Baring that- If you tell me the "exact" words you wish to see in print - I'll do my best .

Must say the level of pedantism hereabouts deserves the very highest of accolades tbf.