Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

celt262 wrote: »

What Tony said not Nphet its was his own opinion.

He shouldn’t be posting his opinion from the official CMO account. He could post it to his friends from his personal accounts if it’s only his opinion.

Tchaikovsky

Sharing a land border with one of the worst affected nations?

Timmy O Toole

niallo27 wrote: »

So Germany and France are allowing indoor dining now as well as the rest of Europe, I wonder what criteria they are using to open up that the see it as safe. Strange the way our criteria is so much stricter than everyone else. Anyone know what it is.

Tony

gozunda

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Sharing a land border with one of the worst affected nations?

True or having to to get tested everytime you feel like a bit of indoor dining and being surprised when you get there - they're shut because the regional infection rate is too high or arriving at the restaurant with the kids, and grandparents only to find the establishment's indoor seating capacity has been halved with tables limited to a maximum of six people?

I think I'll stick with the outdoor dining here just for the present ...

PTH2009

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

Let's not forget this absolute gem either:



Because it is totally normal non-psychopathic human behaviour to ask a grieving woman what lessons she learned about Covid after suffering 2 deaths in her family.

I hope that women's family wrote a very strong worded letter to Dr Wally

What a horrible thing to say to a grieving person

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

True or having to to get tested everytime you feel like a bit of indoor dining and being surprised when you get there - they're shut because the regional infection rate is too high or arriving at the restaurant with the kids, and grandparents only to find the establishment's indoor seating capacity has been halved with tables limited to a maximum of six people?

I think I'll stick with the outdoor dining here just for the present ...

You do realise these countries have both its not a choice. Your right though, if the 7 of us can't have dinner together then what's the point. Also only a handful of regions require a test before, of course you know this though.

namloc1980

Full house in Copenhagen for the Euro game today. Great to see. Bizarre when you consider we can only manage 500 people penned into roped off areas in a field a few days ago. Bonkers.

Silentcorner

namloc1980 wrote: »

Full house in Copenhagen for the Euro game today. Great to see. Bizarre when you consider we can only manage 500 people penned into roped off areas in a field a few days ago. Bonkers.

You'd say something if these restrictions weren't costing a fortune or taking a toll on people's mental health...

And some of us seem to revel in the abundance of caution approach...with Europe's youngest population!

namloc1980

Silentcorner wrote: »

You'd say something if these restrictions weren't costing a fortune or taking a toll on people's mental health...

And some of us seem to revel in the abundance of caution approach...with Europe's youngest population!

It's actually ridiculous. Watching a full house in Copenhagen, and everyone getting on with their lives. Here we're planning on maybe having 2,000 people in Croke Park at some stage. It'd actually make you angry at this stage how our leaders are managing this.

MOR316

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's actually ridiculous. Watching a full house in Copenhagen, and everyone getting on with their lives. Here we're planning on maybe having 2,000 people in Croke Park at some stage. It'd actually make you angry at this stage how our leaders are managing this.

But they're not managing it though, are they?

Tony Holohan is managing it. Government put him behind the wheel.
6 months ago, people were called conspiracy nutjobs for suggesting it but, it's true!

Never experienced a more spineless group of people in my life...Worse yet, the opposition are even worse

Anyway, not a thread to be discussing political parties

namloc1980

MOR316 wrote: »

But they're not managing it though, are they?

Tony Holohan is managing it. Government put him behind the wheel.
6 months ago, people were called conspiracy nutjobs for suggesting it but, it's true!

Never experienced a more spineless group of people in my life...Worse yet, the opposition are even worse

Anyway, not a thread to be discussing political parties

Indeed. When Hungary had a full house the other night, it was dismissed as Orban, the semi dictator strongman, just ignoring Covid. Now we have Denmark with a full stadium, not exactly renowned as a cavalier or authoritarian nation. It's infuriating that were so backwards here. I mean there's only a few dozen people in hospital at this stage ffs.

stephenjmcd

namloc1980 wrote: »

Indeed. When Hungary had a full house the other night, it was dismissed as Orban, the semi dictator strongman, just ignoring Covid. Now we have Denmark with a full stadium, not exactly renowned as a cavalier or authoritarian nation. It's infuriating that were so backwards here. I mean there's only a few dozen people in hospital at this stage ffs.

Not to be pedantic but Parken stadium is at 65% capacity effective from todays game.

Not that it changes much but its a detail to note anyway if your going to make claims

https://www.explica.co/the-parken-increases-its-capacity-to-25000.html

namloc1980

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not to be pedantic but Parken stadium is at 65% capacity.

Not that it changes much but its a detail to note anyway if your going to make claims

https://www.explica.co/the-parken-increases-its-capacity-to-25000.html

Don't see many empty seats on the tv and any empty seats that there are, are towards the corners. Behind each goal is pretty much full. Doesn't change the point. We're planning on having 2,400 in a 82,000 capacity stadium at the weekend. Absolutely pointless. Test events should be somewhat under real world conditions. Otherwise it's just nonsense theatre.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise these countries have both its not a choice. Your right though, if the 7 of us can't have dinner together then what's the point. Also only a handful of regions require a test before, of course you know this though.

Its not exactly the image of indoor dining being presented though is it?

Only a handful? Maybe my Germans rusty but most still seem to require a test - some qualify this may not be necessary where incidence rates are low such as Hamburg or state diners are exempted if they've been must fully vaccinated or recovered from the virus.

Hamburg
no test requirement on restaurants if the regional incidence rate is below 50

Schleswig-Holstein
Indoor dining for restaurants and cafes require a negative test

Berlin and Brandenburg
Diners will have to provide a negative test result

Bavaria
A bit complicated in Bavaria.

In districts with a 7-day incidence between 50 and 100 you don’t need to show a negative test result if you only sit with your own household

North Rhine-Westphalia
Non-vaccinated diners in restaurants require a negative test

Hesse
Restaurants require diners to provide a negative test result

Saxony
Diners at restaurants required to provide a negative test

Bremen
Diners at restaurants allowed as long as they have a negative coronavirus test from the same day.

Saarland
Diners at restaurants and cafes indoors must have a negative test.

Things seem to be changing on a near daily basis with regulations and restrictions coming and going like a lady of the night

As I said I think I'll stick with with the relatively straightforward outdoor dining here ftm ...

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Well if you are going to take what I stated out of context ...

Jaysus Christy - the entire feking thread is an anti nphet rantfest and you are inviting (demanding even ) posters "to identify any other mistakes which NPHET made"

:pac:

As I said Dont let me (or anyone) stop you.

Off you go...

No, inviting.

Bit cynical

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's actually ridiculous. Watching a full house in Copenhagen, and everyone getting on with their lives. Here we're planning on maybe having 2,000 people in Croke Park at some stage. It'd actually make you angry at this stage how our leaders are managing this.

The worst thing will be watching the gushing RTE report congratulating the organisers for being so brave in allowing the match to go ahead.

KanyeSouthEast

What do the Irish know that the Danes don’t? Some surge on the way in Copenhagen. Just as well our CMO wasn’t anywhere near it…..

normanoffside

namloc1980 wrote: »

Full house in Copenhagen for the Euro game today. Great to see. Bizarre when you consider we can only manage 500 people penned into roped off areas in a field a few days ago. Bonkers.

I'm surprised Tony hasn't banned coverage of these games on Irish TV.

PTH2009

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

What do the Irish know that the Danes don’t? Some surge on the way in Copenhagen. Just as well our CMO wasn’t anywhere near it…..

Don't be questing our superior health officials

They know best

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

Its not exactly the image of indoor dining being presented though is it?

Only a handful? Maybe my Germans rusty but most still seem to require a test - some qualify this may not be necessary where incidence rates are low such as Hamburg or state diners are exempted if they've been must fully vaccinated or recovered from the virus.

Hamburg
no test requirement on restaurants if the regional incidence rate is below 50

Schleswig-Holstein
Indoor dining for restaurants and cafes require a negative test

Berlin and Brandenburg
Diners will have to provide a negative test result

Bavaria
A bit complicated in Bavaria.

In districts with a 7-day incidence between 50 and 100 you don’t need to show a negative test result if you only sit with your own household

North Rhine-Westphalia
Non-vaccinated diners in restaurants require a negative test

Hesse
Restaurants require diners to provide a negative test result

Saxony
Diners at restaurants required to provide a negative test

Bremen
Diners at restaurants allowed as long as they have a negative coronavirus test from the same day.

Saarland
Diners at restaurants and cafes indoors must have a negative test.

Things seem to be changing on a near daily basis with regulations and restrictions coming and going like a lady of the night

As I said I think I'll stick with with the relatively straightforward outdoor dining here ftm ...

You never mentioned France, also the point is in Germany they can eat outdoors straightforward like us so they have a choice. Are you suggesting it's better to keep restaurants shut rather than let vaccinated people or negative test people use them.

Itssoeasy

With a bit of cop on any backbone the government should ban travel from the UK mainland and the north because the only thing stopping us as country opening up is the delta variant and us not having enough people vaccinated so the government need to do whatever it has to do to stop that variant entering the ROI. I mean they were able to keep foot and mouth mostly at bay 20 years ago. This shouldn’t be hard lads. Jesus imagine if the delta variant is detected here ? It’ll be used by those who want to keep us from reopening more, you just watch. But then I’m expecting Dail Eireann(the entire lot of them) to have a bit of follow through.

PTH2009

Itssoeasy wrote: »

With a bit of cop on any backbone the government should ban travel from the UK mainland and the north because the only thing stopping us as country opening up is the delta variant and us not having enough people vaccinated so the government need to do whatever it has to do to stop that variant entering the ROI. I mean they were able to keep foot and mouth mostly at bay 20 years ago. This shouldn’t be hard lads. Jesus imagine if the delta variant is detected here ? It’ll be used by those who want to keep us from reopening more, you just watch. But then I’m expecting Dail Eireann(the entire lot of them) to have a bit of follow through.

Wasn't it not detected here already

Itssoeasy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wasn't it not detected here already

I’ve not heard it was.

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

Its not exactly the image of indoor dining being presented though is it?

Only a handful? Maybe my Germans rusty but most still seem to require a test - some qualify this may not be necessary where incidence rates are low such as Hamburg or state diners are exempted if they've been must fully vaccinated or recovered from the virus.

Hamburg
no test requirement on restaurants if the regional incidence rate is below 50

Schleswig-Holstein
Indoor dining for restaurants and cafes require a negative test

Berlin and Brandenburg
Diners will have to provide a negative test result

Bavaria
A bit complicated in Bavaria.

In districts with a 7-day incidence between 50 and 100 you don’t need to show a negative test result if you only sit with your own household

North Rhine-Westphalia
Non-vaccinated diners in restaurants require a negative test

Hesse
Restaurants require diners to provide a negative test result

Saxony
Diners at restaurants required to provide a negative test

Bremen
Diners at restaurants allowed as long as they have a negative coronavirus test from the same day.

Saarland
Diners at restaurants and cafes indoors must have a negative test.

Things seem to be changing on a near daily basis with regulations and restrictions coming and going like a lady of the night

As I said I think I'll stick with with the relatively straightforward outdoor dining here ftm ...

Sure no bother, they can all just rub a bit of butter on their tests and in they go!

Graham

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wasn't it not detected here already

Yup

"the number of Delta variant cases sequenced here is 188"

AlekSmart

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That numpty Ryan on the news headlines just now saying that they need Holohan to sign off on antigen testing, after which they're ready to go.

Who does he think is in charge?

It's a perfect storm.. Holohan is arrogant and doesn't like being questioned, let alone giving up control, and Ryan and the rest are terrified of being held accountable for making a decision - especially if it overrules Tony.

It would be almost funny if it wasn't so serious!

You're spot on..It IS serious !

However,I feel many people haven't yet realized that Dr Holohan and some of NPHET are far ahead of both public & politician in this Comic Opera.

It is an Opera with very significant rewards for the NPHET members who can show their mettle in backing up their leader and prime spokesman.

Covid19 is not now,nor has it been for quite some time a significant threat to Public Health,as outlined in the many Health Act 1947 S.I's since early 2020.

(a)having regard to the immediate, exceptional and manifest risk posed to human life and public health by the spread of Covid-19 and to the matters specified in subsection (2) of section 31A,

NPHET,like all Quango type agencies,is now concerned with consolidating it's position as a Big Hitter on the political front.

Many of it's 30 odd participants will be constantly reviewing their CV's and working on their newly accquired networking contacts Worldwide,all of which will eventually feed into some plum positions in R & D or Public Administration.

This crowd will NEVER openly sanction a return to pre 2020 "Normality",they will always strive to ensure that Control is maintained,coercively or otherwise on the Mass Public.

As we currently can see (If we bother to look) the CMO has come out swinging when "challenged",albeit timidly,by a Dáil committee,with a stout defence and flat out resistance to ANY form of Oversight.

The only way out of this mess,is to disband this Public Health Emergency Team,on the grounds that a Public Health Emergency no longer exists.

We do know however,that there are several other Emergencies,(eg Management of the Country's Health Service) many long predating Covid19,which have not been addressed in any meaningful way,nor are likely to be IF Dr Holohan and his Team are not stood-down ASAP.

What concerns me at the moment is whether NPHET has entered into any recent contracts with Document Shredding Companies and suchlike,given the extent of the ongoing revelations from John Bull's homeland......there'll be no Dominic Cummings here !!!!

Whatsisname

These variants are everywhere already. Strict border measures do nothing. It’s already been found in Australia. All vaccines work on every variant detected so far, they’re being unnecessarily overhyped by the media and governments who fail to mention there’s over 4000 variants already detected.

Itssoeasy

Graham wrote: »

Yup

"the number of Delta variant cases sequenced here is 188"

I’ve been trying to avoid news on COVID as much as I can and must have missed this.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

You never mentioned France, also the point is in Germany they can eat outdoors straightforward like us so they have a choice. Are you suggesting it's better to keep restaurants shut rather than let vaccinated people or negative test people use them.

I did mention France btw re table limits etc. But you stated re Germany that "only a handful of regions require a test before, of course you know this though."

That doesn't seem to be the case atm. But no a lot of those requirements are also for outdoor dining

Not suggesting "keeping restaurants shut" at all. Most restaurants around I know are open and serving outdoors and / or takeaway. Imho the German system is a nightmare for customers and restaurants owners alike. The system here is a hell of a lot more straightforward imho.

And I reckon it will stay that way when indoor reopens next Month.

Graham

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’ve been trying to avoid news on COVID as much as I can and must have missed this.

It's the only thing I can see (currently) that might put a brake on our progress so it's something I'd keep an eye out for.