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Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Vettel has had two excellent results in a row, fifth in Monaco and second in Azerbaijan. Superb turnaround after the difficult start to the season he had.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Jordan 199 wrote: »
    Vettel has had two excellent results in a row, fifth in Monaco and second in Azerbaijan. Superb turnaround after the difficult start to the season he had.

    Goes to prove that he suddenly didn't forget how to race. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Delighted to see Vettel get his grove back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Remember the days that F1 tyres didn't explode? Those were Goodyears. :D

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    vectra wrote: »
    Goes to prove that he suddenly didn't forget how to race. ;)

    I wonder if anyone said he suddenly forgot how to race.

    It's funny how some people spent the last couple of years denying he ever had a dip in form but now suddenly recognise his rise in form. BBC used to apologise before even discussing his form and they'd usually apologise at the start of the next broadcast for even mentioning the nosedive he'd been in for 3 years. Some people just don't want to acknowledge the dreadful form he's been in for the last few years.

    In any case, he's had 2 excellent results in a row. A bit of luck involved in both but there is usually an element of luck needed for anyone outside the top 2 teams getting a podium.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,213 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    flazio wrote: »
    Remember the days that F1 tyres didn't explode? Those were Goodyears. :D

    Unless you're Mansell. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good pun.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I wonder if anyone said he suddenly forgot how to race.

    It's funny how some people spent the last couple of years denying he ever had a dip in form but now suddenly recognise his rise in form. BBC used to apologise before even discussing his form and they'd usually apologise at the start of the next broadcast for even mentioning the nosedive he'd been in for 3 years. Some people just don't want to acknowledge the dreadful form he's been in for the last few years.

    In any case, he's had 2 excellent results in a row. A bit of luck involved in both but there is usually an element of luck needed for anyone outside the top 2 teams getting a podium.

    And we're off.
    You know what ?
    You are like a sniffer dog when it comes to my posts.
    So much so, I refrain to engage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    vectra wrote: »
    And we're off.
    You know what ?
    You are like a sniffer dog when it comes to my posts.
    So much so, I refrain to engage.

    That worked much quicker than I expected. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    That worked much quicker than I expected. Thanks.


    You are more than welcome, anything to be rid of your nonsence.:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    vectra wrote: »
    You are more than welcome, anything to be rid of your nonsence.:rolleyes:

    You "refrain to engage", remember?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    You "refrain to engage", remember?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    vectra wrote: »
    why-we-like-sad-music.jpg

    I wonder if this is you "refraining to engage"? Because it seems pretty much the same as when you don't "refrain to engage".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,674 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Could a mod please tell this Troll to Fcuk off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭TheQ_Man


    flazio wrote: »
    Remember the days that F1 tyres didn't explode? Those were Goodyears. :D

    Remember their final race in Suzuka 1998? Certainly went out with a bang


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    flazio wrote: »
    Interview with Pirelli by Sky Sport Germany but conducted in English.


    This was posted in the race thread but responding here because i think it will be an ongoing issue over the next batch of races.

    They're sayin the cur to Lewis tyre was also on the rear left - the same as Max and Lance. And he said the rear left isn't the most stressed tyres on the car around the circuit. That suggests it was more likely a stationary object cutting the tyres rather free floating debris which could cut any tyre.

    We likely won't know what the story was but they're likely to err on the side of making the tyres harder from here on. There were a spate of tyre failures a few years ago (they teams were switching left and right tyres for the camber difference I think) and they responded by making the tyres a bit harder.

    Sky said they had made the tyres softer for this race this year than last year so that might have contributed. In any case, they don't need the reputational risk of another fluke tyre failure in the coming races, so they will likely try to make the tyres a bit harder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolff-lewis-hamilton-baku-restart/

    Wolff says he can't call the lockup on the restart a mistake by Lewis, then goes on to explain the mistake Lewis made. It's nice of him to not blame the driver but given the way he was happy to share the blame around the wheel nut incident 2 weeks ago, including Bottas not stopping n the correct spot, it seems like a pretty clear double standard. I think it shows where they prioritise their drivers and it also shows how they are thinking about next year.

    I'd say the situation is pretty clear to Bottas now:
    1. you're out and will be replaced by Russell/Ocon.
    2. you agree to be Lewis no.2 and put up with this kind of stuff as a matter of course - Lewis is no.1, you're his support act. Not enviable choices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    This was posted in the race thread but responding here because i think it will be an ongoing issue over the next batch of races.

    They're sayin the cur to Lewis tyre was also on the rear left - the same as Max and Lance. And he said the rear left isn't the most stressed tyres on the car around the circuit. That suggests it was more likely a stationary object cutting the tyres rather free floating debris which could cut any tyre.

    We likely won't know what the story was but they're likely to err on the side of making the tyres harder from here on. There were a spate of tyre failures a few years ago (they teams were switching left and right tyres for the camber difference I think) and they responded by making the tyres a bit harder.

    Sky said they had made the tyres softer for this race this year than last year so that might have contributed. In any case, they don't need the reputational risk of another fluke tyre failure in the coming races, so they will likely try to make the tyres a bit harder.


    Sky said they had made the tyres softer for this race this year than last year so that might have contributed.

    There was no race in Baku last year. The last one was in 2019.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    AMKC wrote: »
    Sky said they had made the tyres softer for this race this year than last year so that might have contributed.

    There was no race in Baku last year. The last one was in 2019.

    I'm still struggling with what did and didn't happen in 2020.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭Harika


    This was posted in the race thread but responding here because i think it will be an ongoing issue over the next batch of races.

    They're sayin the cur to Lewis tyre was also on the rear left - the same as Max and Lance. And he said the rear left isn't the most stressed tyres on the car around the circuit. That suggests it was more likely a stationary object cutting the tyres rather free floating debris which could cut any tyre.

    We likely won't know what the story was but they're likely to err on the side of making the tyres harder from here on. There were a spate of tyre failures a few years ago (they teams were switching left and right tyres for the camber difference I think) and they responded by making the tyres a bit harder.

    Sky said they had made the tyres softer for this race this year than last year so that might have contributed. In any case, they don't need the reputational risk of another fluke tyre failure in the coming races, so they will likely try to make the tyres a bit harder.

    Problem with this is, that the tyres in Baku that failed were the medium tires or hardness 3 on a scale between 1 and 5.
    The issue didn´t happen on the 1s or 2s only on the hardest of the available compounds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭Harika


    On the Bottas struggle.
    Funny how the tides turn. Two races ago, he did everything perfect for Mercedes. Monaco and Baku now nowhere to be seen. As in Imola.
    He won´t be replaced mid season, that´s for sure.
    Next year Mercedes might want to look into their talent pool and see if they want to move one of their juniors up.
    Perez on the on the hand came alive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Harika wrote: »
    On the Bottas struggle.
    Funny how the tides turn. Two races ago, he did everything perfect for Mercedes. Monaco and Baku now nowhere to be seen. As in Imola.
    He won´t be replaced mid season, that´s for sure.
    Next year Mercedes might want to look into their talent pool and see if they want to move one of their juniors up.
    Perez on the on the hand came alive

    Tides have turned now for Merc in that regard, they used to have him as a rear gunner. But performance wise, he isn't there, and I can only imagine his morale is shot as well, so that is a double whammy.

    Perez, as you rightly point out, has come alive at the right time for RB. He was literally the perfect wingman yesterday and sealed up the table for RB when they needed him. I hope they give him another year at the team, he is proving to be a great signing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Harika wrote: »
    Problem with this is, that the tyres in Baku that failed were the medium tires or hardness 3 on a scale between 1 and 5.
    The issue didn´t happen on the 1s or 2s only on the hardest of the available compounds.

    That's true. They did happen when they tyres were a similar age towards the end of their stints suggesting tyre failure.

    I'd still think the fact that it happened on the same tyre, which isn't the tyre that experiences the most stress, suggests it was cuts from something like a kerb, but we'll have to wait and see if we ever find out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Tides have turned now for Merc in that regard, they used to have him as a rear gunner. But performance wise, he isn't there, and I can only imagine his morale is shot as well, so that is a double whammy.

    Perez, as you rightly point out, has come alive at the right time for RB. He was literally the perfect wingman yesterday and sealed up the table for RB when they needed him. I hope they give him another year at the team, he is proving to be a great signing.

    Far too early to say he's a great signing. He had some poor races at the start and 2 good weekends. We can only wait and see how it goes. He looks to have settled in better than the last 2 RB drivers, that's for sure. Neither of them looked to be able to be place behind Max in quali and the race as Perez did this weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Far too early to say he's a great signing. He had some poor races at the start and 2 good weekends. We can only wait and see how it goes. He looks to have settled in better than the last 2 RB drivers, that's for sure. Neither of them looked to be able to be place behind Max in quali and the race as Perez did this weekend

    You are right, might be early but I think the signs are good so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Perez was asked by a journo post race if he feels he's fully gotten to grips with the car now and he said he thought there was more pace to find but he probably would have said that anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    I think he’s a class act Perez. Had a great week this week and hopefully more to come.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I read that's the first time since America 2012 that Merc got no points in a race. Insane reliability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,367 ✭✭✭Glico Man


    I read that's the first time since America 2012 that Merc got no points in a race. Insane reliability.

    Surely at least the Spanish GP 2016 when Rosberg and Hamilton took each other out?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭TheQ_Man


    I read that's the first time since America 2012 that Merc got no points in a race. Insane reliability.

    Austria 2018 was the last time (Double retirement). Maybe 2012 was when the 2 Merc’s last finished outside the points having done the full race?


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