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Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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  • #5402
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    SecretsOfEarth wrote: »
    What a load of deflection and utter rubbish...if RTÉ are a "small, chronically underfunded broadcaster", surely they can't afford to pay salaries of €500,000 to D'Arcy and Tubridy, along with €400,000 to Joe Duffy for 75 minutes of work a day?

    Kealy is constantly using funding as an excuse for his own personal failures and Ireland's (at best) mediocrity at the contest since his time in charge began. I must ask - how well funded are the Moldovan broadcaster??

    We would quickly find that we have one of the larger eurovision budgets around I'd say.

    Silly stuff for RTE to be uttering, seems they are trying to deflect now that we know we were actually the worst act officially in the contest (well our semi).


  • #5403
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    ...we were actually the worst act officially in the contest (well our semi).

    Terrible to say I think we might have been the worst ! Even Denmark and Germany were at least having fun.

    Does the 300,000 include the price paid to the EBU? or is that just on staging and music rights? because if it is the later RTÉ are spending 400,000 to 500,000 on Eurovision.


  • #5404
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,768 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Elmo wrote: »
    Terrible to say I think we might have been the worst ! Even Denmark and Germany were at least having fun.

    Does the 300,000 include the price paid to the EBU? or is that just on staging and music rights? because if it is the later RTÉ are spending 400,000 to 500,000 on Eurovision.

    No, that would be the entire Eurovision budget including the fee to the EBU.

    I think the fee to enter is €80k or something.


  • #5405
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Elmo wrote: »
    AFIAK the public have only had a say since You're A Star, previously Eurosong was voted on by Juries.

    Mention his comments in another thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057868730&page=485


    Re brand it as Eurostar?


  • #5406
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.

    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.


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  • #5407
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,455 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc
    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1994. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.
    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.
    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.

    It's a platform to build on, if you are a confident upcoming band who wants a bigger profile in Europe... somebody who wants to be 'major'.
    Or someone trying to stage a bit of a comeback.

    But if you're already 'premier division', it's not needed and as you say not worth the risk.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5408
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wasn't sure about Ukraine, but listened to it a few times during the week and think it's a total banger!


  • #5409
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK




    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:


  • #5410
    LordBasil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭LordBasil


    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....


  • #5411
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    LordBasil wrote: »
    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....

    My first thought was perhaps it was even worse than the live one. Guess we'll never know now :o

    Great to see Maneskin's "I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE" climbing the Spotify charts, currently #27 in Ireland and #33 in the UK. This must be one of the first times in recent years that a winner's previous back catalogue has started to make headway in the charts? Great to see, and particularly in this streaming era. The general narrative about Eurovision seems very different this year, feels a lot more respectful in tone, less talk about quirky costumes and bloc voting. Good news for the contest.


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  • #5412
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    tobefrank321 wrote: »

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    don't forget bucks fizz :)


  • #5413
    iffandonlyif
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    RobertKK wrote: »


    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:

    It's usually the Irish making all the noise.

    I'm glad Ukraine went through because of the quality of their song, but considering Eurovision is as much about European community spirit, a little ungenerous of other contests to show such bias.


  • #5414
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    iffandonlyif wrote: »
    It's usually the Irish making all the noise.

    I'm glad Ukraine went through because of the quality of their song, but considering Eurovision is as much about European community spirit, a little ungenerous of other contests to show such bias.

    Sure I was like that when Ukraine was announced, and I’m Irish! The lead singer of Maneskin even said the Ukraine’s was his favourite song in the contes.


  • #5415
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    My first thought was perhaps it was even worse than the live one. Guess we'll never know now :o

    Great to see Maneskin's "I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE" climbing the Spotify charts, currently #27 in Ireland and #33 in the UK. This must be one of the first times in recent years that a winner's previous back catalogue has started to make headway in the charts? Great to see, and particularly in this streaming era. The general narrative about Eurovision seems very different this year, feels a lot more respectful in tone, less talk about quirky costumes and bloc voting. Good news for the contest.

    Hopefully also with Arcade and Think about Things getting commercial and mainstream success, it might make other acts take the contest more seriously and lose the cheesy/camp reputation it was.


  • #5416
    tv3tg4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭tv3tg4


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Hopefully also with Arcade and Think about Things getting commercial and mainstream success, it might make other acts take the contest more seriously and lose the cheesy/camp reputation it was.

    Agreed. The aim of an act is to get their music out there and to do well in the competition.

    I think we need to send some act capable of this.


  • #5417
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.

    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.

    It is not though. The Eurovision has changed. It is a really big deal. Check out the views of the winners song and now their whole back catalogue. I think England and Ireland largely think it is the same as 20 years ago and remain bewildered bad result after bad result.

    I'd allow noone involved from RTE or otherwise be involved in picking or staging the next entry. New team needed.


  • #5418
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?


  • #5419
    doc22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭doc22


    LordBasil wrote: »
    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....

    In fairness to the UK and Ireland they both finish last and this could be more of a protest/wish to move on having filled their obligations and don't want to entertain the ESC vanity project


  • #5420
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?

    an equine song maybe?


  • #5421
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I hope I don’t blasted for this, but... do you think with the lack of sequins, rainbows, fancy dress, etc in the crowd this year, it made the contest look less camp? Loads of people seems to be tuning for the first time this year in years (as no one has anything else to be doing!), and they might have a different opinion now of the contest than if they watched it 2/3 years ago.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the campness of it all, but to some people it it seems it’s a bit of a cheesefest.


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  • #5422
    archfi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭archfi


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    I hope I don’t blasted for this, but... do you think with the lack of sequins, rainbows, fancy dress, etc in the crowd this year, it made the contest look less camp? Loads of people seems to be tuning for the first time this year in years (as no one has anything else to be doing!), and they might have a different opinion now of the contest than if they watched it 2/3 years ago.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the campness of it all, but to some people it it seem as a bit of a cheesefest.
    Yeah, much preferred the audience way back in seats and the 'green room' in front of the stage.
    Still got the atmosphere but annoying cheese level much reduced!:D

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • #5423
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?

    I could never see such a genius sinking that low.


  • #5424
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,268 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    forumdedum wrote: »
    I could never see such a genius sinking that low.

    Getting someone to write something has been the problem, we should try and send a current working band or artist and send them with one of their potential hits


  • #5425
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Eurovision songs on the official Irish charts this week:

    #14 Maneskin - Zitti E Buoni
    #37 Go_A - Shum
    #38 Dadi Freyr - 10 Years
    #40 Barbara Pravi - Voila
    #51 Maneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE
    #52 Gjon's Tears - Tout l'Univers
    #60 Elena Tsagrinou - El Diablo
    #62 Blind Channel - Dark Side
    #65 Duncan Laurence - Arcade
    #75 The Roop - Discotheque
    #79 Destiny - Je Me Casse
    #99 Tusse - Voices

    As I said a few pages back, this is great to see in the era of streaming. Very pleased that Maneskin's previous music is being noticed too, and that Arcade is still on people's minds also.


  • #5426
    Welsh Megaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77,139 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    Has it been a whole week already? :(


  • #5427
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Welsh Megaman wrote: »
    Has it been a whole week already? :(

    Champions League final just didn’t bring the same excitement :(


  • #5428
    Daphne Some Eyebrow
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Daphne Some Eyebrow


    I'm still humming away to Tick-Tock.


  • #5429
    External Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    RobertKK wrote: »


    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:

    'And not Ireland'? There were 5 other countries, aswell as Ireland, with a chance of claiming that last 10th place for the final.


  • #5430
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    External Association wrote: »
    'And not Ireland'? There were 5 other countries, aswell as Ireland, with a chance of claiming that last 10th place for the final.

    Yeah, that kinda confused me too.


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  • #5431
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    LordBasil wrote: »
    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam.


    Why would anyone want to remember either of those performances? Both utterly dreadful.


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