Corona Virus and events

robinph · 12-05-2021 11:24am

The cut off time for Boston entry is apparently 7+ minutes quicker than the time you needed just to apply for 2021, and that is after they made the qualification times 5 minutes quicker than 2019 when it was a 4+ minutes quicker you needed to be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/sports/boston-marathon-2021-fast.html?0p19G=0232

Comparison slightly skewed by reduced entry numbers, but still quite a bit quicker than people would have expected to need to run.

Thinking my London 2022 time is going to need to be a lot quicker yet.

average_runner · 12-05-2021 2:05pm

robinph wrote: »

The cut off time for Boston entry is apparently 7+ minutes quicker than the time you needed just to apply for 2021, and that is after they made the qualification times 5 minutes quicker than 2019 when it was a 4+ minutes quicker you needed to be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/sports/boston-marathon-2021-fast.html?0p19G=0232

Comparison slightly skewed by reduced entry numbers, but still quite a bit quicker than people would have expected to need to run.

Thinking my London 2022 time is going to need to be a lot quicker yet.

Just a new challenge for you

Itziger · 16-05-2021 9:05am

robinph wrote: »

The cut off time for Boston entry is apparently 7+ minutes quicker than the time you needed just to apply for 2021, and that is after they made the qualification times 5 minutes quicker than 2019 when it was a 4+ minutes quicker you needed to be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/sports/boston-marathon-2021-fast.html?0p19G=0232

Comparison slightly skewed by reduced entry numbers, but still quite a bit quicker than people would have expected to need to run.

Thinking my London 2022 time is going to need to be a lot quicker yet.

I know it helps a bit to be old (me!) but am I the only one who thinks those QTs are slow? The fastest is 3.00, correct? But that's for 18 to 34 year olds. The middle aged ones, well, they just seem generous. 45-49 years =3hrs 20min.

Murph_D · 16-05-2021 11:08am

Itziger wrote: »

I know it helps a bit to be old (me!) but am I the only one who thinks those QTs are slow? The fastest is 3.00, correct? But that's for 18 to 34 year olds. The middle aged ones, well, they just seem generous. 45-49 years =3hrs 20min.

Boston qualifier times are slower than the other majors simply because, bar a relatively small number of charity/tourist places, everyone is a qualifier.

No mass market entry = more qualifier places = more "generous" QTs.

OOnegative · 17-05-2021 7:22pm

https://www.espn.com/olympics/trackandfield/story/_/id/31461734/new-york-city-marathon-return-nov-7-field-33000-runners?platform=amp

Although greatly reduced numbers, it’s another step in the right direction.

Stark · 18-05-2021 7:45pm

Orienteering Ireland have gotten formal notification that they can resume competitions with 100 competitors in June. I presume this advice will also carry over to athletics events (orienteering would be a lot more "socially distanced" but I presume the powers that be don't care that much about the specifics).

Sacksian · 18-05-2021 8:29pm

Stark wrote: »

Orienteering Ireland have gotten formal notification that they can resume competitions with 100 competitors in June. I presume this advice will also carry over to athletics events (orienteering would be a lot more "socially distanced" but I presume the powers that be don't care that much about the specifics).

Yes, looks to be the same for AI:

https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/coronavirus-covid-19-update

Sounds like we'll have the Dublin graded in the same form as last year, and I'd imagine they've been preparing for it (can't remember how quickly Dublin Athletics went from announcement to first competition). Hopefully able to start earlier and get more than 3 in too!

Oiriallach · 18-05-2021 8:59pm

Sacksian wrote: »

Yes, looks to be the same for AI:

https://www.athleticsireland.ie/news/coronavirus-covid-19-update

Sounds like we'll have the Dublin graded in the same form as last year, and I'd imagine they've been preparing for it (can't remember how quickly Dublin Athletics went from announcement to first competition). Hopefully able to start earlier and get more than 3 in too!

Limit last year was 200 - 100 will be much more challenging for organisers, perhaps even to the point where they'd consider it not worthwhile to bother staging a competition.

Sacksian · 18-05-2021 9:22pm

Oiriallach wrote: »

Limit last year was 200 - 100 will be much more challenging for organisers, perhaps even to the point where they'd consider it not worthwhile to bother staging a competition.

That does make a difference! I only did one of the gradeds last year, but it was one event in, one event out at Morton Stadium, so they might have been operating with fewer than 200.

Worth noting that the 100 is a recommendation and the Sport Ireland document says that:

NGBs remain best placed to determine the final capacities and develop the required structures for safe competition.

AI are better placed than most to do this given that they actually hosted safe competition last year. As you say though, it's really up to them to decide whether they believe that's the case.

Chivito550 · 18-05-2021 10:56pm

AAI are going with 100. How is it possible to hold Nationals or any meaningful competition with such ridiculous restrictions for outdoor events.

Looks like I'll be racing in Mary Peters a lot this summer. First one this Saturday.

Sunny Dayz · 19-05-2021 7:37am

Oiriallach wrote: »

Limit last year was 200 - 100 will be much more challenging for organisers, perhaps even to the point where they'd consider it not worthwhile to bother staging a competition.

A 200 person limit could have allowed a lot more events to go ahead, including a lot of park runs here.

Timmaay · 19-05-2021 8:23am

Ugggh yeh alot of committees planning meets based on the 200 person limit last few weeks (which itself is very tricky, trying to juggle timetables etc). 100 people really means 80 max athlete's to allow for officals etc.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 8:58am

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

A 200 person limit could have allowed a lot more events to go ahead, including a lot of park runs here.

Park runs are further down the road than road races right now. Scotland, Wales, North and Ireland are resisting it alot.
Wales has the highest vaccination and they are against it still.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 8:59am

Chivito550 wrote: »

AAI are going with 100. How is it possible to hold Nationals or any meaningful competition with such ridiculous restrictions for outdoor events.

Looks like I'll be racing in Mary Peters a lot this summer. First one this Saturday.

It will increase in July to 200 or more

robinph · 19-05-2021 9:23am

average_runner wrote: »

Park runs are further down the road than road races right now. Scotland, Wales, North and Ireland are resisting it alot.
Wales has the highest vaccination and they are against it still.

Not sure that it's being resisted. Just the rules for NI, and especially Wales and Scotland, are deliberately, and annoyingly, just slightly different enough to make out that they are doing something radically different from Boris Johnson. So it means that the numbers of people that can meet in England is 6 but Scotland then say 8 and Wales pick another number.

On the sports side of things parkrun is based around for England there being no limits for organised sports, but Wales and Scotland didn't copy those bits of the guidance. Wales just apply their groups of 30 rule regardless of the activity, and I'm not sure what the Scotland equivalent is. They have also not been as specific in setting out what will happen on what dates, at least not enough for the likes of parkrun to be able to plan for set dates.

But more junior events will be restarting in Wales and NI in the next couple of weeks, and there are positive noises about progress being made for 5km events in Scotland now also.

Could end up with parkrun in England having to delay the restart by a month, and then Scotland spots a publicity opportunity and says something more decisive from government about their events being allowed just to get them begun a week sooner.

Oiriallach · 19-05-2021 11:36am

Timmaay wrote: »

Ugggh yeh alot of committees planning meets based on the 200 person limit last few weeks (which itself is very tricky, trying to juggle timetables etc). 100 people really means 80 max athlete's to allow for officals etc.

For juvenile meets, a limit of 100 effectively means no more than 40 athletes, as you have to allow for a parent accompanying each athlete aged under 18.

Chivito550 · 19-05-2021 12:09pm

average_runner wrote: »

It will increase in July to 200 or more

Too late for National Seniors. It needs to take place during Olympic qualification window.

May as well join a NI club at this rate, I'll be up there so much

average_runner · 19-05-2021 12:27pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Too late for National Seniors. It needs to take place during Olympic qualification window.

May as well join a NI club at this rate, I'll be up there so much

There were races in Le Cheile last weekend I thought with a timetable every 30 mins. Could they not do that for the nationals?

So 12:00 Focus on 100m

etc

Limit the fields to the top 20 or so.

Chivito550 · 19-05-2021 12:30pm

average_runner wrote: »

There were races in Le Cheile last weekend I thought with a timetable every 30 mins. Could they not do that for the nationals?

So 12:00 Focus on 100m

etc

Limit the fields to the top 20 or so.

You've obviously never been part of a national championships if you think it can be conducted in such a manner.

Also, top 20 based on what? Times this season from the few races that happened? Times from last year when many didn't race? Times from 2 years ago? Cherry pick those we think are top 20?

Pure nonsense.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 12:33pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

You've obviously never been part of a national championships if you think it can be conducted in such a manner.

Oh i have been to a few. These things should work like clock work, embrace technology etc

Just needs a bit of proper organization in it.

Chivito550 · 19-05-2021 12:36pm

average_runner wrote: »

Oh i have been to a few. These things should work like clock work, embrace technology etc

Just needs a bit of proper organization in it.

With the 200 limit last year it took 9 sessions over 4 days to make it happen.

So 18 sessions over 8 days it is.....

average_runner · 19-05-2021 1:45pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

With the 200 limit last year it took 9 sessions over 4 days to make it happen.

So 18 sessions over 8 days it is.....

But also limit the field entries. There is plenty of tracks around the country that they could break it up.

Chivito550 · 19-05-2021 1:48pm

average_runner wrote: »

But also limit the field entries. There is plenty of tracks around the country that they could break it up.

.... or they could set their own limits as 100 is just advisory.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 3:26pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

.... or they could set their own limits as 100 is just advisory.

Now you really want them to go outside their box:D

Timmaay · 20-05-2021 12:34pm

Oiriallach wrote: »

For juvenile meets, a limit of 100 effectively means no more than 40 athletes, as you have to allow for a parent accompanying each athlete aged under 18.

You have to offer the opportunity I think. If the parent says no their kid is ok alone for the 3 hours, thats grand. That's largely the only way our upcoming county championships which are spread across 4days in June will work, if most parents want to attend, sorry event cancelled. And yep the 100 person advisory limit is useful itself, you plan for 100, prentry only etc, you have control of the people entering the venue etc, however on the day itself you are not stuck policing and counting a strict limit of exactly 100 people or less, that itself is a nightmare for club volunteers etc. Basically don't take the piss and organise events with clearly well over 100 and you'll be fine. Its still frustrating but about all we can do for June.

Chivito550 · 21-05-2021 8:37am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/57184690

Shocking stuff.

Dubh Geannain · 21-05-2021 9:15am

Chivito550 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/57184690

Shocking stuff.

"As Athletics Ireland only became aware of this issue very recently, this has created challenges for us to manage around the published athletics calendar."

Good grief. The calendar must be choc-o-bloc. How did the attending athletes manage to schedule it in at all with their own limited resources.

Ceepo · 21-05-2021 11:20am

Chivito550 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/57184690

Shocking stuff.

I'm not sure what this even means.
Do AAI even have a say in what happens in NI Athletics
Also why were AAI seeking guidance in the first place.

Were there always ranking points awarded at national champs or is this the first year.?

average_runner · 21-05-2021 11:35am

Ceepo wrote: »

I'm not sure what this even means.
Do AAI even have a say in what happens in NI Athletics
Also why were AAI seeking guidance in the first place.

Were there always ranking points awarded at national champs or is this the first year.?

Why are the AAI doing this? It makes no sense at all.

jamule · 21-05-2021 12:04pm

Christie made a bollox of the application, he ticked he had AAI persmission and hence they got a full ranking meeting.

Hamish seems to be a bit of a bollox, he could easily get up off his hole and sort it out.

Ceepo · 21-05-2021 12:07pm

average_runner wrote: »

Why are the AAI doing this? It makes no sense at all.

I've know idea. It was something that I came across earlier today,
Seems that some issues was raised and they were looking for clarification on it.

My reading of it is that they were looking for clarification on "representation of athletes" and WA deemed that in AAI case its only Republic of Ireland.

Whatever all that means for athletics and athletes in Northern Ireland is beyond me

Murph_D · 21-05-2021 1:16pm

Confusing alright.

But the article says the event will have a UK permit and that performances will be recognised, so apart from the AI petulance (which is shocking alright), and the sloppiness in the Euro Permit application, what’s the issue?

jamule · 21-05-2021 1:37pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Confusing alright.

But the article says the event will have a UK permit and that performances will be recognised, so apart from the AI petulance (which is shocking alright), and the sloppiness in the Euro Permit application, what’s the issue?

Ranking points is the issue , gonna be v important for a few v close to Q times but will need points to q.

Murph_D · 21-05-2021 2:05pm

jamule wrote: »

Ranking points is the issue , gonna be v important for a few v close to Q times but will need points to q.

Which raises the profile of the AAI games a couple of weeks later. Gotcha.

Chivito550 · 21-05-2021 2:05pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Confusing alright.

But the article says the event will have a UK permit and that performances will be recognised, so apart from the AI petulance (which is shocking alright), and the sloppiness in the Euro Permit application, what’s the issue?

World ranking points. For those trying to qualify via ranking system, higher ranked meets carry extra bonus points. Losing European permit status is a killer in this regard.

Chivito550 · 21-05-2021 2:06pm

Murph_D wrote: »

Which raises the profile of the AAI games a couple of weeks later. Gotcha.

An event they still have no clarity on how many they can have attend.

Farcical on all counts.

Mar Azul · 21-05-2021 2:40pm

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1140975989742123&id=100014891977844

John Downes spot on here.

Ceepo · 21-05-2021 2:59pm

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1140975989742123&id=100014891977844

John Downes have a right go at AAI.

Wouldn't be like John to sit on the fence, but I'd have to agree with him here.

Still trying to understand the whole email around AAI "athlete representation" and why it would have surface in the first place.

Oiriallach · 21-05-2021 3:33pm

Ceepo wrote: »

Still trying to understand the whole email around AAI "athlete representation" and why it would have surface in the first place.

Assuming we've seen the same email/letter - the one I saw is from Hamish Adams to Larry Larkin and is dated back in January 2020 - I don't think it is directly linked to current issue re the European Athletics permit for the Belfast IMC Meet. The purpose of that letter seems to have been to clarify that when athletes represent Ireland on AAI teams in World Athletics Series competitions (i.e. the various World Championship events), the country they are representing is the Republic of Ireland rather than the island of Ireland.

Ceepo · 21-05-2021 3:48pm

Oiriallach wrote: »

Assuming we've seen the same email/letter - the one I saw is from Hamish Adams to Larry Larkin and is dated back in January 2020 - I don't think it is directly linked to current issue re the European Athletics permit for the Belfast IMC Meet. The purpose of that letter seems to have been to clarify that when athletes represent Ireland on AAI teams in World Athletics Series competitions (i.e. the various World Championship events), the country they are representing is the Republic of Ireland rather than the island of Ireland.

Yeah its the email I linked in a earlier post.
And I'd agree that it is not related to the current situation.

If as you say that's what its referring to, you would have to wonder why the question was posed initially.

Chivito550 · 21-05-2021 7:29pm

What I don't understand is AAI applied for European permit for AAI Games, while simultaneously are blindly following a recommendation from Sport Ireland of 100 capacity size for all outdoor competitions, despite it being only a recommendation. Seems like a contradiction.

Murph_D · 21-05-2021 8:52pm

As someone already asked, why does an event in NI need an Athletics Ireland signoff to get a European Permit?

deisedude · 22-05-2021 9:31am

Athletics Ireland are a fcuking shambles from the top to the bottom.

Athletes at club level have been treated with contempt. All other outdoor sports appear to have plans in place for competition.

More people than ever before are running recreationally and club registrations have fallen off a cliff.

Athletics Ireland don't want to meaningfully engage and plan or find creative solutions to facilitate races.

Fine we mightnt be able to race normally with a mass start but at least try and come up with some fcuking ideas to have competition.

Clowns the lot of them

djemba djemba · 22-05-2021 3:04pm

deisedude wrote: »

Athletics Ireland are a fcuking shambles from the top to the bottom.

Athletes at club level have been treated with contempt. All other outdoor sports appear to have plans in place for competition.

More people than ever before are running recreationally and club registrations have fallen off a cliff.

Athletics Ireland don't want to meaningfully engage and plan or find creative solutions to facilitate races.

Fine we mightnt be able to race normally with a mass start but at least try and come up with some fcuking ideas to have competition.

Clowns the lot of them

But we did have runuary.

robinph · 22-05-2021 3:23pm

I don't think it's in anyway unique to Ireland. Seems to be something special about athletics though, at least with the various governing bodies for the sport across these islands, none of which have done a particularly good job of advocating for it during the last 14 months.

ThebitterLemon · 22-05-2021 8:26pm

So we can have a thousand people on the street marching to the Israeli embassy but we can’t have a controlled road race with a few hundred

It’s getting farcical now

Let us race safely ffs!!!

TbL

Chivito550 · 22-05-2021 8:35pm

Raced City of Lisburn AC meet in Belfast today. Other than the blocks being sprayed before each race, the grandstand being closed, and a token announcement by the announcer to remember social distancing where possible, it was just like any other track meet I have ever run in 2019 and before. The changing rooms were even open (though showers were closed) and I don't recall seeing anyone wearing a mask.

The relays at the end without batons was a little odd, but overall it really felt like I was part of normality today. Walked 1.8 miles to a lovely beer garden after and had 2 delicious pints.

Meanwhile, down here we are pissing about with 100 limits per competition. Give me strength!!

ReeReeG · 22-05-2021 9:06pm

Chivito550 wrote:

Raced City of Lisburn AC meet in Belfast today. Other than the blocks being sprayed before each race, the grandstand being closed, and a token announcement by the announcer to remember social distancing where possible, it was just like any other track meet I have ever run in 2019 and before. The changing rooms were even open (though showers were closed) and I don't recall seeing anyone wearing a mask.

But how did your run go?

Ceepo · 24-05-2021 4:09pm

Triathlon Ireland announced today that triathlon racing will resume in the Republic from 7th June.

Wave starts of no nore than 100, but the number of waves will depend on race specific safety and social distance.

https://www.triathlonireland.com/news/2021/triathlon-events-to-return-from-june-7th/

There's no reason AI can't do something similar

average_runner · 25-05-2021 6:40pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Raced City of Lisburn AC meet in Belfast today. Other than the blocks being sprayed before each race, the grandstand being closed, and a token announcement by the announcer to remember social distancing where possible, it was just like any other track meet I have ever run in 2019 and before. The changing rooms were even open (though showers were closed) and I don't recall seeing anyone wearing a mask.

The relays at the end without batons was a little odd, but overall it really felt like I was part of normality today. Walked 1.8 miles to a lovely beer garden after and had 2 delicious pints.

Meanwhile, down here we are pissing about with 100 limits per competition. Give me strength!!

Athletics Ireland is worst than the fai

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