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Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 3:38pm

Most of my friends would be of the same opinion as the lady in the first few seconds of this interview, Joe is a breath of fresh air.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/02/politics/fact-check-biden-100-days/index.html

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 3:52pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

Most of my friends would be of the same opinion as the lady in the first few seconds of this interview, Joe is a breath of fresh air.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/02/politics/fact-check-biden-100-days/index.html

Well Trump, looked after the wealthy more than the working man. Biden can’t touch the firearms, he’d lose votes, He can tighten background checks etc. but who says that’s a bad thing.

civdef · 04-05-2021 5:11pm

A big test of how congress is going to play out will be the ATF director confirmation process.

tudderone · 04-05-2021 5:18pm

Richard308 wrote: »

Well Trump, looked after the wealthy more than the working man. Biden can’t touch the firearms, he’d lose votes, He can tighten background checks etc. but who says that’s a bad thing.

Any meddling with the 2A or gun laws will lose him votes, but he already has so he will lose votes. It will achieve nothing, the whole of south America can get in now he fcuked up the border with Mexico, them boys in the Mexican cartels don't mess around, and guns, like drugs are no problem for them to get.

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 5:26pm

tudderone wrote: »

Any meddling with the 2A or gun laws will lose him votes, but he already has so he will lose votes. It will achieve nothing, the whole of south America can get in now he fcuked up the border with Mexico, them boys in the Mexican cartels don't mess around, and guns, like drugs are no problem for them to get.

A big portion of guns in Mexico come from the USA only one gun store in Mexico. Mostly ars. Used there. Not having to record who you sold a gun to in the states is a joke. Until that changes it’s a mess.

Uinseann_16 · 04-05-2021 5:39pm

Richard308 wrote: »

A big portion of guns in Mexico come from the USA only one gun store in Mexico. Mostly ars. Used there. Not having to record who you sold a gun to in the states is a joke. Until that changes it’s a mess.

Recording who you sell to creates a registry, registration lead to confiscation , it's the only reason why they haven't had , Canadian, British, Australian etc style massive confiscations
It's a right not a privilege there , So imho they should never allow a gun registry to be made there

Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 6:41pm

Richard308 wrote: »

Well Trump, looked after the wealthy more than the working man. Biden can’t touch the firearms, he’d lose votes, He can tighten background checks etc. but who says that’s a bad thing.

I don't think he can go wrong by tightening background checks, the situation over there is mental and has been for quite some time.

We have tight enough checks here in Ireland and sadly firearms are licensed to people who end up doing heinous things with them.

Some of them have made national headlines and I'm sure there must be others that have never been reported.

Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 6:46pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Recording who you sell to creates a registry, registration lead to confiscation , it's the only reason why they haven't had , Canadian, British, Australian etc style massive confiscations
It's a right not a privilege there , So imho they should never allow a gun registry to be made there

You are against a registry of who owns what type of firearm and confiscation of firearms?

That's an opinion I've never heard before.

tudderone · 04-05-2021 6:54pm

Richard308 wrote: »

A big portion of guns in Mexico come from the USA only one gun store in Mexico. Mostly ars. Used there. Not having to record who you sold a gun to in the states is a joke. Until that changes it’s a mess.

:rolleyes:, what "gun store" did the provos buy their weapons from here ?

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 7:00pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

Recording who you sell to creates a registry, registration lead to confiscation , it's the only reason why they haven't had , Canadian, British, Australian etc style massive confiscations
It's a right not a privilege there , So imho they should never allow a gun registry to be made there

So you’re happy for private citizens legally entitled to own guns to sell them to persons convicted of felonies?

Feisar · 04-05-2021 7:04pm

tudderone wrote: »

:rolleyes:, what "gun store" did the provos buy their weapons from here ?

Wasn't it the bould Gadaffi, after our government bungled the operation of getting guns to them?

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 7:06pm

tudderone wrote: »

:rolleyes:, what "gun store" did the provos buy their weapons from here ?

Well apparently different sources with an axe to grind with the British government. Ie Libya, communist eastern bloc, and persons in the USA with sympathy for the republican cause. So possibly most stores in USA. They’re the documented ones.

I actually think the 50 cals definitely came from the USA.

BattleCorp · 04-05-2021 7:10pm

Richard308 wrote: »

So you’re happy for private citizens legally entitled to own guns to sell them to persons convicted of felonies?

Given that 2A in the States is designed to help protect the citizens from the Government, I can see the logic in the Government not having a shopping list to go collecting the guns if they decide to do so.

tudderone · 04-05-2021 7:24pm

Richard308 wrote: »

So you’re happy for private citizens legally entitled to own guns to sell them to persons convicted of felonies?

You do that and get caught, which is extremely likely, you go away to jail for a very long time, and not in one of the cushy places we have here. The American judges are not shy about doling out the porridge.

Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 7:40pm

tudderone wrote: »

You do that and get caught, which is extremely likely, you go away to jail for a very long time, and not in one of the cushy places we have here. The American judges are not shy about doling out the porridge.

How is it extremely likely?

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 7:44pm

tudderone wrote: »

You do that and get caught, which is extremely likely, you go away to jail for a very long time, and not in one of the cushy places we have here. The American judges are not shy about doling out the porridge.

If there’s no register of who owns the gun, they can’t trace it to you. Plus it’s heading over the border with a nice margin on the cost.

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 7:49pm

Richard308 wrote: »

Well Trump, looked after the wealthy more than the working man. Biden can’t touch the firearms, he’d lose votes, He can tighten background checks etc. but who says that’s a bad thing.

A very bad thing actually...As it also includes Red flag law. Meaning that your anti-gun wife or relative or a neighbour at the end of the street can make an unfounded claim about you and your guns and you find a SWAT team kicking in your door to grab your guns,and you on the wrong end of an unnecessary and lengrhy leagal process to retrive them...Already been three deaths with this ...Tell me how this is good?

Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 7:51pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A very bad thing actually...As it also includes Red flag law. Meaning that your anti-gun wife or relative or a neighbour at the end of the street can make an unfounded claim about you and your guns and you find a SWAT team kicking in your door to grab your guns,and you on the wrong end of an unnecessary and lengrhy leagal process to retrive them...Already been three deaths with this ...Tell me how this is good?

Probably prevented way more than three deaths of harmless people.

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 7:56pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A very bad thing actually...As it also includes Red flag law. Meaning that your anti-gun wife or relative or a neighbour at the end of the street can make an unfounded claim about you and your guns and you find a SWAT team kicking in your door to grab your guns,and you on the wrong end of an unnecessary and lengrhy leagal process to retrive them...Already been three deaths with this ...Tell me how this is good?

Nothing good about unnecessary loss of life. But having unregistered firearms floating around society can’t be a good thing can it? I’m sure there’s people we all know who we wouldn’t like see armed with a banana never mind semi auto rifles. I’m pro gun.

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 8:04pm

Richard308 wrote: »

A big portion of guns in Mexico come from the USA only one gun store in Mexico. Mostly ars. Used there. Not having to record who you sold a gun to in the states is a joke. Until that changes it’s a mess.

True enough...From Barrack Obama and his corrupt ATFE lacky Eric Holder... In a little sting operation called "Fast and Furious" where ATFE coerced small-time gun dealers in border towns to "sell" guns to stool pigeons in Mexican Narco gangs.
It had NOTHING to do with stopping the illegal supply of guns to Mexican Narco gangs who buy the majority of their weaponry off;

[1] Corrupt Mexican police or military officials in organized "raids" on police or military depots. Supplied and sold by the US govt to Mexican govt agencies. As evidenced by the recovered full-auto weaponry and serial numbers.

[2] Off other Leftist dictatorships and banana republics like Venezuela and FARC guerrillas down in Columbia.
Its now easier to buy an illegal gun in Mexico than anywhere else and so long as you have enough cash to pay off the police who are paid a pittance of wages.Its as common as muck down there.
F&F and indirectly because of it killed 3 border patrol agents and the direct responsibility for those deaths like with Holder and Obama as the authors of this mess.

Richard308 · 04-05-2021 8:09pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

True enough...From Barrack Obama and his corrupt ATFE lacky Eric Holder... In a little sting operation called "Fast and Furious" where ATFE coerced small-time gun dealers in border towns to "sell" guns to stool pigeons in Mexican Narco gangs.
It had NOTHING to do with stopping the illegal supply of guns to Mexican Narco gangs who buy the majority of their weaponry off;

[1] Corrupt Mexican police or military officials in organized "raids" on police or military depots. Supplied and sold by the US govt to Mexican govt agencies. As evidenced by the recovered full-auto weaponry and serial numbers.

[2] Off other Leftist dictatorships and banana republics like Venezuela and FARC guerrillas down in Columbia.
Its now easier to buy an illegal gun in Mexico than anywhere else and so long as you have enough cash to pay off the police who are paid a pittance of wages.Its as common as muck down there.
F&F and indirectly because of it killed 3 border patrol agents and the direct responsibility for those deaths like with Holder and Obama as the authors of this mess.

That did happen and it was a complete mess. But those tunnels over the border flow both ways. Look at the shootouts, most are armed with ars

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 8:16pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

How is it extremely likely?

It's called a STRAW PURCHASE. If you knowingly sell or collude to acquire a firearm for a person with a criminal record that you are aware of
. It's a conspiracy and a felony crime, so you are just as likely to be charged with conspiracy to commit whatever your nutty/criminal pal or relative did with that gun. Which isn't too hard to trace either by simply running the serial number thru the 4773 form
The word is knowingly.If say you advertise your gun for sale in the local newspaper,and someone approaches you and buys it with cash and goes off and robs a bank and had multiple previous, your defence is you didn't know or have no ways of checking his criminal background IF you are selling as a private person.

otmmyboy2 · 04-05-2021 8:20pm

Criminals are always going to be able to arm themselves.

Look at our home grown ones, last I checked we couldn't get licenced on FA romanian AKs or PM63s, but they still turn up here.

There are going to be very few FFLs wiling to risk their livelihood, absent that Fast & Furious entrapment fiasco that is, who are going to supply firearms to criminals.

Read here with the following myths:

The United States is the source of 90% of drug syndicate guns in Mexico
Mexico seizes 2,000 guns a day from the United States
Thousands of guns go into Mexico from the U.S. every day

Rows Grower · 04-05-2021 8:26pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

It's called a STRAW PURCHASE. If you knowingly sell or collude to acquire a firearm for a person with a criminal record that you are aware of
. It's a conspiracy and a felony crime, so you are just as likely to be charged with conspiracy to commit whatever your nutty/criminal pal or relative did with that gun. Which isn't too hard to trace either by simply running the serial number thru the 4773 form
The word is knowingly.If say you advertise your gun for sale in the local newspaper,and someone approaches you and buys it with cash and goes off and robs a bank and had multiple previous, your defence is you didn't know or have no ways of checking his criminal background IF you are selling as a private person.

I'd imagine it would be extremely likely the serial number would not be left on a firearm intended to be used in a crime which could mean jail for life.

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 8:28pm

Richard308 wrote: »

That did happen and it was a complete mess. But those tunnels over the border flow both ways. Look at the shootouts, most are armed with ars

Call Bullshyt on that last part. They are not ARs they are M4s! Go check out how many are sold to the Mexican /Hondouran/Coloumbian Govt LE and end up in these Narco gangs hands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381630/WikiLeaks-Mexican-drug-gangs-armed-U-S-weapons.html

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 8:34pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'd imagine it would be extremely likely the serial number would not be left on a firearm intended to be used in a crime which could mean jail for life.

Do NOT underestimate the stupidity of people over there when it comes to this sort of thing.Also,just filing off the numbers is not a sure way of stopping them from being brought back.
Forensics over there are so good that they can even now detect under "masked"..IE over-stamped and multiple filed off fake numbers which are the real original serial nrs.

Cass · 04-05-2021 8:51pm

This is pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHOLFhbwsM

Wonder how long until we have this:

IRON-2008-d7a2706.jpg?quality=90&resize=768,574

tudderone · 04-05-2021 8:53pm

Cass wrote: »

This is pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHOLFhbwsM

Wonder how long until we have this:

We could do with a few ruthless cyborgs to deal with the contents of Dublin city centre !

Grizzly 45 · 04-05-2021 8:53pm

Richard308 wrote: »

Well apparently different sources with an axe to grind with the British government. Ie Libya, communist eastern bloc, and persons in the USA with sympathy for the republican cause. So possibly most
stores in USA. They’re the documented ones.

Or by genuine Provos buying handguns on straw purchases as happened in the Florida gun-running back in the late 90s.ATF actually worked that time, they gave themselves away by buying 10 handguns in one day which was a trigger number sale. Or just plain outright crooks like Whitey Bulger who just stole stuff outright from National Gaurd armouries.IE a half dozen M60s in the 1980s.

tudderone · 04-05-2021 9:04pm

The one thing that makes life in this dreary place liveable, the demon drink, is being hiked in price in supermarkets.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/cost-alcohol-irish-supermarkets-soar-20523435

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