Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 06:14PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You can see where people get the idea that Holohan is the Marionettist in Govt. policy for the last year... and when they try create their own policies such as MHQ it blows up in their faces..

Even though he wasn't working for half of it?

PTH2009 · 21-04-2021 06:20PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer

:(:mad:

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 06:20PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Even though he wasn't working for half of it?

How many people still lucky enough to have a job need the Boss there all the time in order to keep working according to what's been laid out by said Boss?

MrMiyagi12345 · 21-04-2021 06:22PM

Long time lurker. Im in my mid 30s, my friends and I have been ignoring these abhorrent restricions for a long time now. Currently planning a weekend in an Airbnb somewhere for the bank holiday weekend. Should be about 10 of us. Plenty available thankfully. Drove from one side of the country to the other last weekend for a 2 night break with friends. Not a guard on the road. I would imagine they're done with this **** show too.

The only way to deal with these stupid rules is ignore them as best you can. Above all don't listen or watch RTE. I and most others I know have been getting on with our lives as best we can and plan on doing so. The "sky is falling in" types can continue on locking themselves away but I'm done.

Vicxas · 21-04-2021 06:27PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer :(:mad:

Where did you get that from that article?

questionmark? · 21-04-2021 06:30PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

I honestly don't know how they manage it? Where do they even get the time? I just about hit my 2,500 everyday.

You need to try harder.

PTH2009 · 21-04-2021 06:35PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Where did you get that from that article?

Here

'Elsewhere, at the launch of the 'Be Summer Ready' campaign, Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney said that while restrictions may impact where people can go and what they can do, there are still some standard safety precautions that people should not forget.

Mr Coveney said people can look with more confidence in relation to the removal of restrictions, and in time can reconsider international travel restrictions.

He said he is asking people to stay within their own counties, even though people are frustrated with the measures.

People are "not too far away" from better times, he said, adding that the months of June, July, August and September will be months of loosening restrictions and people feeling more confident that they can meet outside and holiday.

He said the Government will give advice throughout summer months, and that the message for now is no non-essential international travel, and people should not holiday away from home.

This may change over the coming months, he said, as they work towards a green passport that would confirm if a person has been fully vaccinated.

He said that system should be in place by the start of June, adding that there will be potential for international travel "over the coming months".

Not sounding over confident of major stuff like festivals/matches/concerts etc happening esp when the numbers naturally rise going into Autumn

Graham · 21-04-2021 06:40PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not sounding over confident of major stuff like festivals/matches/concerts etc happening esp when the numbers naturally rise going into Autumn

Did you miss the news of a vaccination program, it's been out for a while now.

gozunda · 21-04-2021 06:47PM

zebastein wrote: »

Maybe France did not have a Roadmap in March because they had everything open as usual....

Is that so? You missed this then?

In a televised address on 31 March, Macron announced the country could re-open "with strict rules" from mid-May – including bars, restaurants and cultural venues –that have been closed since 30 October of last year

Or this?

From Saturday 3 April, restrictive measures already in force in some parts of France are extended to the whole of the country.

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

Or that under the current lockdown there - much like us - only Shopping for essential supplies, for professional supplies, to collect orders or deliveries, or moving house is permitted?

But yeah France is in a ****show atm.

This is why. Rates of infection have not been brought under control.

As for the rest of it. Where we are in not a freking competition with a n other random countries. Some countries can progress faster as vaccination rates rise. Others won't for a range of reasons.

Tying your balloon to what at best are hopeful promises by the French Government as some type "oh look at us - we're ****e / too cautious" is simply bollocs.

Just one thing- our current travel restrictions is not "20km" btw

People here can now travel within their county or 20km from home from 12 April

Afaik the 20km add on is for those living close or near county borders.

The next set of restrictions are being rolled back next Monday. Let's get there first before engaging in further what ifs....

if you(r) happy that it takes 2months to move from level 5 to level 4 by easing one restriction every week good for you

I'm "happy" that we're keeping the rate of infection low whilst we roll out the vaccination programme. I'm "happy" to see restrictions being reduced as that programme moves forward. That said I don't need someone to tell me what just might happen when we all know that such dates can be little more than provisional at this stage in the vaccine programme.

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Bit cynical · 21-04-2021 07:34PM

Graham wrote: »

Did you miss the news of a vaccination program, it's been out for a while now.

I think he's talking about festivals this summer/early autumn 2021. Obviously there will eventually be festivals and the like.

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 08:08PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I think he's talking about festivals this summer/early autumn 2021. Obviously there will eventually be festivals and the like.

He specifically said "not much will change" and then posted an article detailing all the things that will change and instead focused on one thing that's clearly not happening (uk festivals are being cancelled daily but he can't blame that on Tony holohan so it doesn't count)

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 08:09PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Here

Mr Coveney said people can look with more confidence in relation to the removal of restrictions, and in time can reconsider international travel restrictions.

Not much changing......

finalfurlong · 21-04-2021 08:10PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer :(:mad:

Think tomorrows figures of cases is being set up nicely for feeding into scaling down any talk of real changes next week.There were 542 positive swabs today-still 2.8% positivity but on way above average test figure of over 19000 results but case figure was 401.Expect to see them in tomorrows doom fest from nphet which is a precursor to week.The u turn from varadker is beyond a joke.In 24 hours he went from highlighting the falling hospital numbers and ICu to today mysteriously only mentioning the "levelling or slightly rising"case figures as "something from last couple of days that would make you pause".This is groundhog day and with Tony on way back ,expect to see 5/6 days of this spin in papers to kick things down road yet again.These goalposts never get a chance to settle.

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 08:21PM

finalfurlong wrote: »

Think tomorrows figures of cases is being set up nicely for feeding into scaling down any talk of real changes next week.There were 542 positive swabs today-still 2.8% positivity but on way above average test figure of over 19000 results but case figure was 401.Expect to see them in tomorrows doom fest from nphet which is a precursor to week.The u turn from varadker is beyond a joke.In 24 hours he went from highlighting the falling hospital numbers and ICu to today mysteriously only mentioning the "levelling or slightly rising"case figures as "something from last couple of days that would make you pause".This is groundhog day and with Tony on way back ,expect to see 5/6 days of this spin in papers to kick things down road yet again.These goalposts never get a chance to settle.

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

21-04-2021 08:23PM

lawred2 wrote: »

It's about time the causes of obesity was tackled head on like every other destructive personal behavior

Yet obesity gets danced around for fear of hurting people's feelings...

Very true and yet in the last year we’ve only heard about one thing. No focus on getting people fitter, eating healthy, 5 a day etc. Not sure about dancing around people’s feelings because lots do go to gym or join slimming clubs, so there is an awareness or at least there was an awareness around it.

finalfurlong · 21-04-2021 08:35PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

Coin would need to be multi headed to include hospitalisation numbers ,ICU numbers ,R Rate,society damage,economic damage,current and future state of country and its population,effectiveness or otherwise of current restrictions to deal with priority areas(which have been continuously chopped and changed to suit narrative).Work that coin out when it lands

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 08:35PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

You're right, they should use Case numbers as the key to easing restrictions, places like Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim with no covid cases should reopen fully..
Along with all the other counties with less than 5 cases per day....

Shelga · 21-04-2021 08:40PM

MrMiyagi12345 wrote: »

Long time lurker. Im in my mid 30s, my friends and I have been ignoring these abhorrent restricions for a long time now. Currently planning a weekend in an Airbnb somewhere for the bank holiday weekend. Should be about 10 of us. Plenty available thankfully. Drove from one side of the country to the other last weekend for a 2 night break with friends. Not a guard on the road. I would imagine they're done with this **** show too.

The only way to deal with these stupid rules is ignore them as best you can. Above all don't listen or watch RTE. I and most others I know have been getting on with our lives as best we can and plan on doing so. The "sky is falling in" types can continue on locking themselves away but I'm done.

Personally I'm somewhere in between "level 5 forever with no plan" and "I'm going to go share a house with 10 friends because I don't give a s*** about other people and I've had enough"- but you do you.

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 08:42PM

finalfurlong wrote: »

Coin would need to be multi headed to include hospitalisation numbers ,ICU numbers ,R Rate,society damage,economic damage,current and future state of country and its population,effectiveness or otherwise of current restrictions to deal with priority areas(which have been continuously chopped and changed to suit narrative).Work that coin out when it lands

So now there is much more to be considered other than just case numbers.
Not the impression your original post gave.

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 08:46PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right, they should use Case numbers as the key to easing restrictions, places like Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim with no covid cases should reopen fully..
Along with all the other counties with less than 5 cases per day....

True, and now he is not doing much we could get Donald Trump to oversee the building of those counties border walls.

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 08:50PM

charlie14 wrote: »

True, and now he is not doing much we could get Donald Trump to oversee the building of those counties border walls.

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 08:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

So now you're against freedom of movement within the country?

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 09:00PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

So we have people on here boasting about going beyond the restriction limits. Even one recently telling us he has booked a B&B with 10 friends, and you believe that somehow you can open up pubs, restaurants and non-essential retail stores in individual counties based solely on I.D.

You sure you have thought this plan through ?

PTH2009 · 21-04-2021 09:03PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

Thats sounds logical but there will be ways around it for sure

'Ah here i'm staying with me bud from Sligo town' etc

MadYaker · 21-04-2021 09:04PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

Garda checkpoints on every single road in and out of county Sligo 24/7? I don’t think it’s workable. We don’t have police and army to do localised restrictions properly. Until enough people are vaccinated significantly rolling back restrictions will only lead to further lockdowns, and potentially more variants that are harder to control. At this point anyway the fastest way out of the pandemic is to keep most of restrictions in place and vaccinate as fast as possible.

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 09:07PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So we have people on here boasting about going beyond the restriction limits. Even one recently telling us he has booked a B&B with 10 friends, and you believe that somehow you can open up pubs, restaurants and non-essential retail stores in individual counties based solely on I.D.
You sure you have thought this plan through ?

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

gozunda · 21-04-2021 09:18PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

Or as suggested - we can keep on with vaccinations and keep the infection rate as low as possible and that will include everyone having to take up the slack for the likes of our friend above and his 10 friends or at least those like them.

hynesie08 · 21-04-2021 09:21PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Thats sounds logical but there will be ways around it for sure

'Ah here i'm staying with me bud from Sligo town' etc

If it was the other way round you'd be the first one crying and trying to blame Tony holohan....

charlie14 · 21-04-2021 09:28PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

Everyone knows it is not just boasting. The reason it didn`t have a more adverse effect on case numbers is because there was nowhere open.
Have you any idea how many Garda it would take to patrol even the county roads between one county and those that border it. Multiple that by the number of counties you are proposing this plan for and on that basis alone it is a non-runner.

Open up towns villages and population centres just for local simply based on I.Ds. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

Your plan has nothing to do with using case numbers to determine restrictions.
It`s a plan to encourage people to break restrictions.

Tenzor07 · 21-04-2021 09:37PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Everyone knows it is not just boasting. The reason it didn`t have a more adverse effect on case numbers is because there was nowhere open.
Have you any idea how many Garda it would take to patrol even the county roads between one county and those that border it. Multiple that by the number of counties you are proposing this plan for and on that basis alone it is a non-runner.
Open up towns villages and population centres just for local simply based on I.Ds. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:
Your plan has nothing to do with using case numbers to determine restrictions.
It`s a plan to encourage people to break restrictions.

Grand so, you've just proved that you don't believe in data determining restrictions. If you feel it encourages people to break restrictions and risk their no covid zones being put back in line with level 5 then you vastly underestimate how smaller communities would act after their areas have been fully reopened.

Cork, Leitrim, Kilkenny and Kerry have been consistently outperforming other counties in keeping cases low, so they should be allowed to open now instead of waiting for places like Dublin to get the cases low...
Don't need Gardai behind every bush.. trust the parishes, the villages and the town's residents to protect what they have achieved while they wait for the rest of Ireland to catch up.

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